What a #@!#!@#!


I mean seriously Catfish, you're like the worst kind of religious nutbag around. You pick and choose the parts you like and the parts you don't like and then back up your choice with nothing more than your own personal theories. One day you're defending the bible and the very next you're tearing it down. It's just fucking weird man.

Even Godschild doesn't hold a candle to you, you nut case.

(August 5, 2012 at 9:40 am)spockrates Wrote: Oh, I don't know that we're any better today. Even modern slaughterhouses are pretty sick! To be fair, the ancient Jewish people usually cooked and ate the sacrificed livestock and birds.

But I'm sure there are vegetarians who agree that no killing of an animal (ancient, or modern) is acceptable.

Yes, I'm aware of that. I figure that "law" was created to feed the ppl. I like that aspect of it. The Israelites had a lot of "laws" that were designed to help the needy.

So, what do you think of the contradiction I pointed out?

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(August 5, 2012 at 9:43 am)Cinjin Wrote: What a #@!#!@#!


I mean seriously Catfish, you're like the worst kind of religious nutbag around. You pick and choose the parts you like and the parts you don't like and then back up your choice with nothing more than your own personal theories. One day you're defending the bible and the very next you're tearing it down. It's just fucking weird man.

Even Godschild doesn't hold a candle to you, you nut case.

You're welcome to form your own beliefs. Too bad your anti-biblical rants don't hold water when someone thinks for themselves.

(August 5, 2012 at 9:43 am)Cinjin Wrote: What a #@!#!@#!


I mean seriously Catfish, you're like the worst kind of religious nutbag around. You pick and choose the parts you like and the parts you don't like and then back up your choice with nothing more than your own personal theories. One day you're defending the bible and the very next you're tearing it down. It's just fucking weird man.

Even Godschild doesn't hold a candle to you, you nut case.

I'd say he's intellectually honest. A Christian who is willing to question his own beliefs is better than one who lives by the code: "My religion, right or wrong."

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(August 5, 2012 at 9:52 am)catfish Wrote:

(August 5, 2012 at 9:40 am)spockrates Wrote: Oh, I don't know that we're any better today. Even modern slaughterhouses are pretty sick! To be fair, the ancient Jewish people usually cooked and ate the sacrificed livestock and birds.

But I'm sure there are vegetarians who agree that no killing of an animal (ancient, or modern) is acceptable.

Yes, I'm aware of that. I figure that "law" was created to feed the ppl. I like that aspect of it. The Israelites had a lot of "laws" that were designed to help the needy.

So, what do you think of the contradiction I pointed out?

I'm not sure what I think, because I don't see the contradiction, yet. Please elaborate.

(August 5, 2012 at 9:53 am)spockrates Wrote: I'm not sure what I think, because I don't see the contradiction, yet. Please elaborate.

Re-read the OP. If you can't see the contradiction, I don't think you ever will.

OK, please allow me to use a more modern translation, which is easier for my small mind to understand:

4 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “Say to the Israelites: ‘When anyone sins unintentionally and does what is forbidden in any of the Lord’s commands -- 3 “‘If the anointed priest sins, bringing guilt on the people, he must bring to the Lord a young bull without defect as a sin offering for the sin he has committed. 4 He is to present the bull at the entrance to the Tent of Meeting before the Lord. He is to lay his hand on its head and slaughter it before the Lord.

(Leviticus 4)

This passage say to me that is a priest commits a sin that he did not know was a sin at the time he committed it, he must sacrifice an animal to atone for that sin, after he later realizes what he did was wrong.

21 “‘This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: Go ahead, add your burnt offerings to your other sacrifices and eat the meat yourselves! 22 For when I brought your forefathers out of Egypt and spoke to them, I did not just give them commands about burnt offerings and sacrifices, 23 but I gave them this command: Obey me, and I will be your God and you will be my people. Walk in all the ways I command you, that it may go well with you. 24 But they did not listen or pay attention; instead, they followed the stubborn inclinations of their evil hearts. They went backward and not forward. 25 From the time your forefathers left Egypt until now, day after day, again and again I sent you my servants the prophets. 26 But they did not listen to me or pay attention. They were stiff-necked and did more evil than their forefathers.’

(Jeremiah 7)

This passage says to me the sacrifices were necessary, but not sufficient. It's not enough to seek forgiveness and then hypocritically continue to do wrong. Faith is not enough to save someone from God's judgment. One must also repent and try to obey God.

Jeremiah does not say do good but don't seek forgiveness. He instead says do good AND seek forgiveness. So I see no contradiction, yet.

(August 5, 2012 at 10:22 am)spockrates Wrote: OK, please allow me to use a more modern translation, which is easier for my small mind to understand:

4 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “Say to the Israelites: ‘When anyone sins unintentionally and does what is forbidden in any of the Lord’s commands -- 3 “‘If the anointed priest sins, bringing guilt on the people, he must bring to the Lord a young bull without defect as a sin offering for the sin he has committed. 4 He is to present the bull at the entrance to the Tent of Meeting before the Lord. He is to lay his hand on its head and slaughter it before the Lord.

(Leviticus 4)

This passage say to me that is a priest commits a sin that he did not know was a sin at the time he committed it, he must sacrifice an animal to atone for that sin, after he later realizes what he did was wrong.

21 “‘This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: Go ahead, add your burnt offerings to your other sacrifices and eat the meat yourselves! 22 For when I brought your forefathers out of Egypt and spoke to them, I did not just give them commands about burnt offerings and sacrifices, 23 but I gave them this command: Obey me, and I will be your God and you will be my people. Walk in all the ways I command you, that it may go well with you. 24 But they did not listen or pay attention; instead, they followed the stubborn inclinations of their evil hearts. They went backward and not forward. 25 From the time your forefathers left Egypt until now, day after day, again and again I sent you my servants the prophets. 26 But they did not listen to me or pay attention. They were stiff-necked and did more evil than their forefathers.’

(Jeremiah 7)

This passage says to me the sacrifices were necessary, but not sufficient. It's not enough to seek forgiveness and then hypocritically continue to do wrong. Faith is not enough to save someone from God's judgment. One must also repent and try to obey God.

Jeremiah does not say do good but don't seek forgiveness. He instead says do good AND seek forgiveness. So I see no contradiction, yet.

http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInter...f/jer7.pdf

(August 5, 2012 at 10:26 am)catfish Wrote:

(August 5, 2012 at 10:22 am)spockrates Wrote: OK, please allow me to use a more modern translation, which is easier for my small mind to understand:

4 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “Say to the Israelites: ‘When anyone sins unintentionally and does what is forbidden in any of the Lord’s commands -- 3 “‘If the anointed priest sins, bringing guilt on the people, he must bring to the Lord a young bull without defect as a sin offering for the sin he has committed. 4 He is to present the bull at the entrance to the Tent of Meeting before the Lord. He is to lay his hand on its head and slaughter it before the Lord.

(Leviticus 4)

This passage say to me that is a priest commits a sin that he did not know was a sin at the time he committed it, he must sacrifice an animal to atone for that sin, after he later realizes what he did was wrong.

21 “‘This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: Go ahead, add your burnt offerings to your other sacrifices and eat the meat yourselves! 22 For when I brought your forefathers out of Egypt and spoke to them, I did not just give them commands about burnt offerings and sacrifices, 23 but I gave them this command: Obey me, and I will be your God and you will be my people. Walk in all the ways I command you, that it may go well with you. 24 But they did not listen or pay attention; instead, they followed the stubborn inclinations of their evil hearts. They went backward and not forward. 25 From the time your forefathers left Egypt until now, day after day, again and again I sent you my servants the prophets. 26 But they did not listen to me or pay attention. They were stiff-necked and did more evil than their forefathers.’

(Jeremiah 7)

This passage says to me the sacrifices were necessary, but not sufficient. It's not enough to seek forgiveness and then hypocritically continue to do wrong. Faith is not enough to save someone from God's judgment. One must also repent and try to obey God.

Jeremiah does not say do good but don't seek forgiveness. He instead says do good AND seek forgiveness. So I see no contradiction, yet.

http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInter...f/jer7.pdf

Using a smart phone with a poor connection. Downloading a PDF is not an option, at the moment. But thanks, anyway.

(August 5, 2012 at 9:52 am)catfish Wrote: You're welcome to form your own beliefs. Too bad your anti-biblical rants don't hold water when someone thinks for themselves.

MY anti-biblical rants??? MINE???

Man, you currently have two threads bashing the bible by pointing out contradictions.
I wasn't bashing the bible (this time), I was questioning you. Where exactly do you stand??? Are you christian, a believer in the bible, a heathen? Don't project your crazy onto me. You're the one playing both sides whenever it suits you.

(August 5, 2012 at 6:45 am)catfish Wrote: And also not Biblical.

I don't care if it's "in" the Bible, sacrifices are one of the sickest things I could imagine. Sacrifice is a pussie's cop-out for accountability.

But anyways, here's some verses that'll leave a few ppl reeling with anger.

Leviticus 4:1-4
King James Version (KJV)
1 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a soul shall sin through ignorance against any of the commandments of the Lord concerning things which ought not to be done, and shall do against any of them:
3 If the priest that is anointed do sin according to the sin of the people; then let him bring for his sin, which he hath sinned, a young bullock without blemish unto the Lord for a sin offering.
4 And he shall bring the bullock unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation before the Lord; and shall lay his hand upon the bullock's head, and kill the bullock before the Lord.

Notice how the verse above specifies "sin through ignorance", this is an unintentional sin, not a willful sin. Willful sins were to be atoned for through supplication, prayer and repentance.

And now for the verses that directly contradict the above verses:

Jeremiah 7:21-23
King James Version (KJV)
21 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices, and eat flesh.
22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.

I've appearently been indoctrinated and do not see a contradiction here. Could you point it out as you would to a child.

(August 6, 2012 at 4:42 pm)Drich Wrote: I've appearently been indoctrinated and do not see a contradiction here. Could you point it out as you would to a child.

Sure I can do that. But who's child? Yours?

"Your gonna believe what I said or God will burn you in Hell for etenity!" (that's sarcasm, not meant to be mean)