(October 4, 2012 at 4:18 pm)Godschild Wrote: @ Darkstar, it's obvious you have no knowledge of scripture, yet you want to argue against something you know nothing about, to me that makes one very dense and delusional, believing they can argue against something they know nothing about. You copy everything from others or the net, it's easy to tell, same junk I've heard from nonbelievers for a long time. You could not determine what scripture is saying if your life depended on it, oh yeah, it does. You take the same sad statements others make and try to apply them to scriptures, and if you had ever studied scriptures you would see how embarrassed you should be. When you can come up with better arguments we can continue this, until then I'm going to stop wasting time on your copycatting ways. By the way C.S Lewis is a deeply devoted Christian, you have taken a quote out of context, you really must do better.

I thought we went over the fact that if you've already heard my arguments before, then they're just common arguments. There are so many interpretations to scripture that I don't know how you can claim to know what they really mean. I highly doubt that you are a biblical scholar. Why do some debates end up like this:
I never said anything like:

Hello all !

After reading the lively banter back and forth I now know how a thread could be 4 years old and neither side satisfied with "any" answer! LOL!

The simple answer? (If possible)... is that God had to break his own curse against man.

Believing that God exists is based mostly (and obviously) on Faith! All others need logic (or a weapon like in the old days! LOL). And.... it "will" make more sense once you sort all the facts out!

First...a modest blurp about me! I am (gulp!) Catholic which will put me at odds with not only the A's, but most Christian groups! Why i am, is not important to anyone but me so I won't bother. I was away from my faith for several years, and came back through an unusual experience that again only means something to me!

My brother and father became Atheist's. So I've had many, MANY argu....eh..... I mean discussions about religion over the decades! And over the years I feel a bit responsible for a few conversions through logic and (more importantly) my Faith. Not so many "A's to Christ"...but at least to Agnostic! Which was monumental in a few instances. I point to my dad, kid brother, and my best friend who is now a Christian!

I'm NOT expecting to turn this place on fire (pardon the expression), nor convert anyone! Just to throw out a few ideas, interesting facts and observations for debate and conversations!

It's kind of late in my neck 'o the woods so I'll be back to layout the/my "logical" reasoning tomorrow...."if" anyone is interested! Viewing some of the posts here, I'm sure there are a few/thousand who could give a rats ass...but I'm sure it will be great fodder/target practice for dem-dare A's!

SYS! Ron

(October 8, 2012 at 1:36 am)ronedee Wrote:

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Hello all !

After reading the lively banter back and forth I now know how a thread could be 4 years old and neither side satisfied with "any" answer! LOL!

The simple answer? (If possible)... is that God had to break his own curse against man.

Believing that God exists is based mostly (and obviously) on Faith! All others need logic (or a weapon like in the old days! LOL). And.... it "will" make more sense once you sort all the facts out!

First...a modest blurp about me! I am (gulp!) Catholic which will put me at odds with not only the A's, but most Christian groups! Why i am, is not important to anyone but me so I won't bother. I was away from my faith for several years, and came back through an unusual experience that again only means something to me!

My brother and father became Atheist's. So I've had many, MANY argu....eh..... I mean discussions about religion over the decades! And over the years I feel a bit responsible for a few conversions through logic and (more importantly) my Faith. Not so many "A's to Christ"...but at least to Agnostic! Which was monumental in a few instances. I point to my dad, kid brother, and my best friend who is now a Christian!

I'm NOT expecting to turn this place on fire (pardon the expression), nor convert anyone! Just to throw out a few ideas, interesting facts and observations for debate and conversations!

It's kind of late in my neck 'o the woods so I'll be back to layout the/my "logical" reasoning tomorrow...."if" anyone is interested! Viewing some of the posts here, I'm sure there are a few/thousand who could give a rats ass...but I'm sure it will be great fodder/target practice for dem-dare A's!

SYS! Ron

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Ok, I'm curious... bring it on!

But note: there is such a thing as agnostic atheist, gnostic atheist, agnostic theist and gnostic theist. They're not exclusive. Check some not too old threads around here:
What the devil is a "gnostic atheist"?
Is being a gnostic atheist illogical?

Also, you should have introduced yourself here: Introductions

Quote:is that God had to break his own curse against man.

Or, if there's no such thing as god, man had to update his concept of god to fit with the changing times. Now, how do you expect anyone to accept the skydaddy hypothesis over this one?

Oh dear. Another one?

rondo.

What, in your estimation, was monumental about selling ghost stories to your loved ones? That you pulled it off?

(October 8, 2012 at 9:48 am)Rhythm Wrote: What, in your estimation, was monumental about selling ghost stories to your loved ones? That you pulled it off?

By NOT using Ghost stories...for ONE!

Rhythm & Guys!...I have a party going on @ my place at the moment and I'll be back later for more in-depth...

But, I'm wondering if I should start a new thread rather than pirate this one? This will probably take some time to explain. And, I don't want to overwhelm the masses (aka make people puke!) ...all at once anyway! Thanks, Ron

a catholic having a party..........................

you wont make me puke with your faith. the idea of a party with a dancing Ann Widdecombe makes me puke.
so dont wonder and just post your "This will probably take time to explain", instead of giving me details of your certainly highly exciting private life.

(October 8, 2012 at 4:15 pm)The_Germans_are_coming Wrote: the idea of a party with a dancing Ann Widdecombe makes me puke.

Fuck you! I won't sleep tonight thanks to that!!!

Quote:Believing that God exists is based mostly (and obviously) on Faith!

Quote:Reason is the enemy of faith.

Martin Luther

I'll take reason, thank you.

(October 4, 2012 at 8:54 pm)Jaysyn Wrote:

(October 3, 2012 at 2:02 am)Godschild Wrote: God never changes and because He knew before creation what His plan was He has never changed anything. An omniscient being will have the perfect plan from the beginning, God has never been surprised by anything anyone has ever done.

What happened between the old & new testament then? He went from a "vengeful angry god" to some kind of space hippy.

The OT is about Christ and why He is needed, why do you think the disciples used the OT to witness with, or do you think the NT was already being printed.