(October 9, 2012 at 10:28 pm)Darkstar Wrote:

(October 9, 2012 at 10:11 pm)ronedee Wrote: I really have no problem with Atheists, unlike most of you that do with Christians. The problem I do have is with the "hate" conveyed by either side....which manifests itself in many ways.

IMO the thing most "good people" of any persuasion want is a moral compass that has been lost in our society. What was once Freedom and Liberty in one nation under God..........has become Freedom to do do whatever the f-k I want, when I want, where I want, and no one especially someone's god will take that away from me!

Translation? Chaos! Because "I" has taken the place of God!

Where do we...or worse yet, inner-city kids look in our present society for values, morals and a sense of fellowship? The movies? The internet? The family? The street corner? Really.... Is there anywhere to find it?

I'm wide open for answers, because I don't have them! The only thing I have is my Faith....and Hope that there is a place better than this rotten world we live in!

You say you have no problems with atheists immediately before implying that we have no morals. I don't think anyone here hates christians as a whole. Some may hate christianity itself, but unless someone personally proves themself to be a bad person I won't dislike them personally. You concluded with 'the only thing I have is my faith'. Does this mean that without your faith you would be immoral? Statistics strongly suggest that religiousity doesn't make people more moral; it may actually increase crime rates on the whole. We get values from ourselves. It isn't a 'do whatever you want' world. If you can't be a good person without the fear of hell or reward of heaven, or perhaps you actually think the bible provides a good moral framework, that doesn't mean I need any of those things to be a good person.

I DON'T "IMPLY" ANYTHING! IF I WANT TO CALL YOU AN IDIOT I'LL DO IT STRAIGHT OUT!

Do you want to try stamping your foot as well? Just to emphasise how angry you are?

(October 9, 2012 at 10:32 pm)ronedee Wrote: I DON'T "IMPLY" ANYTHING! IF I WANT TO CALL YOU AN IDIOT I'LL DO IT STRAIGHT OUT!

CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL

Quote:What was once Freedom and Liberty in one nation under God

That was added in 1954, you twat.

(October 9, 2012 at 10:32 pm)ronedee Wrote: I DON'T "IMPLY" ANYTHING! IF I WANT TO CALL YOU AN IDIOT I'LL DO IT STRAIGHT OUT!

Idiot? I didn't say anything about that...

ronedee Wrote:What was once Freedom and Liberty in one nation under God..........has become Freedom to do do whatever the f-k I want, when I want, where I want, and no one especially someone's god will take that away from me!

This strongly suggests that the 'under god' makes it good, and rampant, immoral atheists want to do whatever thay want and not let anyone's god stop them. Who else would be saying 'and no one especially someone's god will take that away from me!' other than an atheist?

(October 9, 2012 at 10:11 pm)ronedee Wrote: I really have no problem with Atheists, unlike most of you that do with Christians. The problem I do have is with the "hate" conveyed by either side....which manifests itself in many ways.

I feel contempt for those that espouse contemptuous points of view.

Quote:IMO the thing most "good people" of any persuasion want is a moral compass that has been lost in our society.

I'm not sure how you've determined that this is the case. By what metrics? Crime is (and has been for some time) on the decline. Thats just one thing I can imagine being a metric for such a proclamation. Personally, I haven't misplaced my compass, it;s right where it's always been.

Quote: What was once Freedom and Liberty in one nation under God..........has become Freedom to do do whatever the f-k I want, when I want, where I want, and no one especially someone's god will take that away from me!

Where the hell do you live? This country, wherever it is, sounds like a fucking shithole. I live in the US, where people are demonstrably not "free to do whatever the fuck they want, when they want, where they want"....and I have no qualms with this.

Quote:Translation? Chaos! Because "I" has taken the place of God!

Translation- Bullshit.

Quote:Where do we...or worse yet, inner-city kids look in our present society for values, morals and a sense of fellowship? The movies? The internet? The family? The street corner? Really.... Is there anywhere to find it?

All of the above....? I don;t understand why you asked this question after giving at least four options.

Quote:I'm wide open for answers, because I don't have them! The only thing I have is my Faith....and Hope that there is a place better than this rotten world we live in!

Righto, in lieu of answers, faith can fill the void quite nicely. Couldn't have made a more pertinent observation myself. If things are fucking rotten where you are, maybe you should consider moving to some place that isn't such a hell-hole. Pick up and leave? Go, don't look back?

Quote:What was once Freedom and Liberty in one nation under God..........has become Freedom to do do whatever the f-k I want, when I want, where I want, and no one especially someone's god will take that away from me!

You really don't know what you are talking about, do you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Stat...ation_rate

Quote:The incarceration rate in the United States of America is the highest in the world. As of 2009, the incarceration rate was 743 per 100,000 of national population (0.743%).[2] In comparison, Russia had the second highest, at 577 per 100,000, Canada was 123rd in the world as 117 per 100,000, and China had 120 per 100,000.[2] While Americans only represent about 5 percent of the world's population, nearly one-quarter of the entire world's inmates have been incarcerated in the United States in recent years.

The "Land of the Free" is a fucking slogan...not reality.

All you A's do is take everything/anything I say, or anyone with a religion says and twist it up to suit your own dispositions at the moment.

It's rather childish, and boring to "assume" everyone who is a "believer" is a clone of your worst "Christian" nightmare. And vis-vis (OK?).

I pretty much knew this would happen from the get go. But I also thought I'd get good, engaging arguments on why there isn't a God. My observations (if I may do some twisting myself) is there are deep rooted reasons besides "I haven't seen a God lately", that makes you rely on your eyes and reasoning based on subtraction.

No matter what you feel about God... Faith is still a part of EVERY person's life! Whether it's believing that our country will rebound, or the stockmarket, or our kid will do good in school, or that our faithfulness in our job, or careers will pay off someday.

Not all of you have chimmed in, but most of you seem to think I'm just another religious zealot who's trying to thump you over the head with my bible. And with nothing to offer except more of the same.

I'm understanding that you don't want to engage in anything that will refute what you have your mind set on. I guess I'm like that too.....BUT....with one big difference!

I'm unable to think that this is all there is to life! "Time" alone, and of itself proves there was indeed a beginning....and there will be an end! What preceeded that, and what will come after that are still a mystery to EVERYONE!

INCLUDING YOU!

NB: Caps Lock Of Truth for purposes of parody only. Please keep arms and legs inside the carriage at all times.

(October 10, 2012 at 2:39 pm)ronedee Wrote: No matter what you feel about God... Faith is still a part of EVERY person's life! Whether it's believing that our country will rebound, or the stockmarket, or our kid will do good in school, or that our faithfulness in our job, or careers will pay off someday.

Faith isn't a part of my life. I think our country will rebound because we've rebounded from dire economic situations in the past. I think the stockmarket will have it's highs and lows based on the market's perception of various events throughout the world. I think my kids will do well in school because they are intelligent, have support from their parents and teachers, and are enrolled in a decent public education system. I don't think being diligent in one's job necessarily brings a pay off. Many people bust their butts everyday for minimum wage.
It isn't faith... It's facts.

(October 10, 2012 at 2:55 pm)festive1 Wrote: Faith isn't a part of my life.

Ditto for me. Faith has never been a part of my life, a fact which pleases me no end.