(November 12, 2012 at 1:39 pm)Truth Matters Wrote: So you don't have any position on whether or No God exists?

Oh yes i do, shove your god up your ...

(November 12, 2012 at 1:39 pm)Truth Matters Wrote: You guys are pathetic - and obviously dishonest. Atheists will say anything to avoid accountability

A zealot talking about intellectual accountability, this is too much ..

And remember he has never, EVER lost an argument with an atheist after debating almost all of us apparently.

(November 12, 2012 at 2:54 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: And remember he has never, EVER lost an argument with an atheist after debating almost all of us apparently.

Is that what he's been doing? I thought he was just claiming that anyone who can't refute his incoherent claim was stuck with his conclusion. I didn't know he was actually debating anyone. Which post?

(November 12, 2012 at 3:00 pm)whateverist Wrote:

(November 12, 2012 at 2:54 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: And remember he has never, EVER lost an argument with an atheist after debating almost all of us apparently.

Is that what he's been doing? I thought he was just claiming that anyone who can't refute his incoherent claim was stuck with his conclusion. I didn't know he was actually debating anyone. Which post?

It's a claim he made here.

http://atheistforums.org/thread-15661-page-9.html

(November 12, 2012 at 2:04 pm)Truth Matters Wrote: Your hatred for me is not an argument. Neither is avoiding the arguments an argument. YOU HAVE NO ARGUMENT. You have no merit to your intellectually lazy position. You just wish I would stop pointing it out.

I'm not embarrassed by your incoherent and foolish claims. At least I realize I haven't made any argument. You don't seem to realize you haven't either .. at least not a coherent one. I guess you wish I'd quit pointing that out for you. But see, of course I don't hate you. Look how hard I am working to enable you to correct your mistaken views.

(November 12, 2012 at 2:25 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_a_Strange_Loop

Quote:In the end, we are self-perceiving, self-inventing, locked-in mirages that are little miracles of self-reference.

The function of the brain is quite well understood with scientists now able to "read" minds by studying the changes in the brain.

http://techland.time.com/2011/09/23/scie...to-movies/

No supernatural soul or other entity is necessary it's all chemicals interacting in highly complex ways.
And that I think is amazing, that mostly water and fats can get up and think about the world is by several factors more wonderful than the idea of some anthropomorphised lazy answer that is the god concept. An idea which is just plain STUPID.

So you have faith that chemicals causing your thoughts is free-willed choice?

You are amazed that 'water and fats can get up and think about the world'....???


I'm amazed that Atheists are stupid enough to swallow it. But heck, you seem proud of being stupid.

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(November 12, 2012 at 3:05 pm)whateverist Wrote:

(November 12, 2012 at 2:04 pm)Truth Matters Wrote: Your hatred for me is not an argument. Neither is avoiding the arguments an argument. YOU HAVE NO ARGUMENT. You have no merit to your intellectually lazy position. You just wish I would stop pointing it out.

I'm not embarrassed by your incoherent and foolish claims. At least I realize I haven't made any argument. You don't seem to realize you haven't either .. at least not a coherent one. I guess you wish I'd quit pointing that out for you. But see, of course I don't hate you. Look how hard I am working to enable you to correct your mistaken views.

Demonstrate anything foolish or incoherent about my arguments. You can't. You're simply lying. Nobody has put the slightest dent in anything I've argued - and you haven't demonstrated one.

Fuck me. This is just tedious. Hey, dick matters; your understanding of physics is faulty. Your understanding of biology is faulty. no-one seems to be interested in investing any further effort in schooling you because you are a dim and boring twat. So if you feel you can now link back to whatever jesus infested forum you came from.... wait a minute.... I've just realized your "debating" style is very similar to another annoying twat from "worthychristian" (where FTR lasted for about 20 posts before pissing off too many godbotherers), by the name of hisg. Are you he?

Quote:Nobody has put the slightest dent in anything I've argued

Actually we have trashed them ALL. Repeatedly. It's not our fault that you refuse to acknowledge it. You, Sir, are a lost cause.

(November 12, 2012 at 2:04 pm)Truth Matters Wrote: Your statement is inconsistent with your own Atheism.
Your statement presumes some You ('I') exists to 'choose' or 'trust' apart from the delusions induced by brain chemicals.

"I" may be shorthand for a complex series of chemical interactions, how that conflicts with atheism is beyond me, because I don't see any gods being invoked, or any belief in them being leveraged. Try harder.

Quote:
Where do you get that 'I' that trusts - apart from chemical delusion????
With Atheism. there is no 'you' apart from the chemicals and delusions induced by chemical force.

And?

Quote:So even your own direct experience is radically inconsistent with your Atheistic metaphysics. You may have never considered it, but it's obviously very real. You do not experience yourself as a chemical machine with no free-will or intention apart from chemical determinism.

My atheist metaphysics..lol, you're a piece of work, lol. I don't experience myself as a collection of cells, but I am precisely that. Maybe you trust your own delusions just a little too much eh? I often experience myself as a biological machine subject to "chemical determinism". Every waking hour of every day actually. I can't actually point to anything and say "aha - that's free will", I like to think that I have free will, but I'm not such a mark as to trust in my own delusions so wholeheartedly.....see how that works?

Quote:You have a soul working through the physical brain.

I don't believe in ghosts, and since you can't produce one...

Quote:Your soul is you.

means jack shit.

Quote:Your brain is a chemical store of memory and physical conduit to the physical realm within which we exist.

Why would I need a chemical store of memory? My non-existent ghostly stores have some critical design flaw or something?

You know it's just occurred to me that you clearly have no fucking clue what atheism is, or you wouldn't be pissing and moaning about ghosts as though an atheist couldn't believe in them...... How are you going to mount any arguments or criticisms of something you are demonstrably ignorant of? If you line up enough atheists (hows about that for a wet dream eh?) you'll probably run across one that believes in ghosts. Not me, mind you, but they're out there. Why wouldn't they be? Ghosts are not gods.

Congratulations TMcretin, you are now the 107th nutjob to fail miserably