(December 16, 2012 at 3:44 pm)alwayson Wrote:

(December 16, 2012 at 3:33 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: That's crazy!

Ok, then please explain to me how they are equivalent. I can't wait.

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(December 16, 2012 at 3:40 pm)SpecUVdust Wrote: This was already slightly elaborated on in the O.P.

And I responded to the O.P. on page 1

They are both leaders of the sect of a world wide religion?

(December 16, 2012 at 5:09 pm)alwayson Wrote: Maybe you shouldn't make unfounded grandiose statements since modern psychology has a huge internal criticism, and that 2 Harvard trained psychiatrists (with M.D.s) translate Madhyamaka books etc.

http://www.nalandascience.org/pages/f-director.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Epstein

grandious statement?

If I am not mistaken you are the one who spent every second post of his last thread writing:

Quote:I claim victory

About your two havard trained individuals. "harvard trained"??? do you know that G. W Bush was "harvard trained"???
A university degree is usless if the individual owning it is a complet idiot.
You could have given Sam Harris as an example who is a practicing secualr buddist.
I simply pointed out that it is simply a hobby, a thing which some people do to fill gaps in their lives, of which most to me seem to be lonely housewifes.
I dont see any usefull philosophy within it.
And as mentioned before I see the concept of "suffering for the sins of a previous life in the current life" as disturbing. There is nothing grandious about that statement, and your attempt to paint me as arrogant has failed since you couldnt provide any counterargument to may claim.

Only two "harvard trained" someones of which one was a link to a buddist page - [begining of sarcasm] which defenatly makes an objective review of that persons work. [/end of sarcasm]

Now show me these internal criticisms wo which buddism is the answere!

(December 16, 2012 at 5:28 pm)The_Germans_are_coming Wrote: [begining of sarcasm] which defenatly makes an objective review of that persons work. [/end of sarcasm]

[begining of sarcasm] Yeah I am sure you are smarter than 2 Harvard trained psychiatrists (with M.D.s), who also went to Ivy League undergrads. [/end of sarcasm]

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(December 16, 2012 at 5:26 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: They are both leaders of the sect of a world wide religion?

I've come across this misunderstanding before. So I'll explain from scratch.

The Gelug school (of the Dalai Lama) is the newest of the 6 schools of Tibetan Buddhism. It was founded by Tsongkhapa.

The Gelug school eventually formed a government over a part of Tibet. Previously other schools formed governments. And now there is no Tibet anymore.

(December 16, 2012 at 5:34 pm)alwayson Wrote: [begining of sarcasm] Yeah I am sure you are smarter than them, even though they also went to Ivy League undergrads. [/end of sarcasm]

I never claimed to be smartass. You constantly keep puting words into the mouths of people instead of giving a counterargument when you have non. I remember how last time you accused me of incest, so at least you learned to behave like decent fool.



You might aswell just post the same nonsence you posted in your previous thread about your delusions on how everything is centered arround "materialism" or some other load of shit.

Now do you have any actual argument to put up, or are you just goint to continue runing arround in circles muttering garbage!

(December 16, 2012 at 5:28 pm)The_Germans_are_coming Wrote: And as mentioned before I see the concept of "suffering for the sins of a previous life in the current life" as disturbing. There is nothing grandious about that statement, and your attempt to paint me as arrogant has failed since you couldnt provide any counterargument to may claim.

This is not the case even in Theravada, let alone Vajrayana. This is just an absurd claim from the outset.

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(December 16, 2012 at 5:28 pm)The_Germans_are_coming Wrote: I simply pointed out that it is simply a hobby, a thing which some people do to fill gaps in their lives, of which most to me seem to be lonely housewifes.

You keep repeating this lonely housewife theme, and yet I have no idea what you are talking about.

(December 16, 2012 at 5:58 pm)alwayson Wrote: This is not the case even in Theravada, let alone Vajrayana. This is just an absurd claim from the outset.

The thread is about buddism. Karma is part of buddism, I see it as something socialy not justifyable.


If these things do not apply for your sect of buddism I cannot argue against it on this point.



Do you see how you could have avoided making me angry and expressing that anger if you would have posted that right from the start?

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(December 16, 2012 at 5:58 pm)alwayson Wrote: I simply pointed out that it is simply a hobby, a thing which some people do to fill gaps in their lives, of which most to me seem to be lonely housewifes.

You keep repeating this lonely housewife theme, and yet I have no idea what you are talking about.
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http://www.tibetanspirit.com/

here buy some shit and make them rich. Ever been to an esotherics convention? snake oil.

(December 16, 2012 at 6:05 pm)The_Germans_are_coming Wrote: If these things do not apply for your sect of buddism I cannot argue against it on this point.

Your understanding doesn't apply to any Buddhism.

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(December 16, 2012 at 6:05 pm)The_Germans_are_coming Wrote: http://www.tibetanspirit.com/

here buy some shit and make them rich. Ever been to an esotherics convention? snake oil.

First off, this is probably the ugliest website I have seen recently. Secondly, I don't see how this applies to lonely housewives.

(December 16, 2012 at 6:12 pm)alwayson Wrote:

(December 16, 2012 at 6:05 pm)The_Germans_are_coming Wrote: If these things do not apply for your sect of buddism I cannot argue against it on this point.

Your understanding doesn't apply to any Buddhism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma

My understanding comes from what I read there. Which is an objective overview.


And if you are going to regress back into stating that

"Oh but your observations are wrong because everything is material and in that order and you have to view everything from a spiritual cosmic viewpoint from which we are all nothing but worthless wind flying by"

then I am not interested.

You might find a lonely housewife to sell that to.

Why do I have the feeling you just linked to something you didn't even read?

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The basic Theravadin understanding of rebirth is the 12 links of Depdendent Origination:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve_Nid%...fold_Chain

Note, no karma.

(December 16, 2012 at 6:20 pm)alwayson Wrote: Why do I have the feeling you just linked to something you didn't even read?

Because you dont have that feeling. You simply make that statement in the hope that I didn`t.

Quote:In Buddhism, karma (Pāli kamma) is strictly distinguished from vipāka, meaning "fruit" or "result". Karma is categorized within the group or groups of cause (Pāli hetu) in the chain of cause and effect, where it comprises the elements of "volitional activities" (Pali sankhara) and "action" (Pali bhava). Any action is understood as creating "seeds" in the mind that will sprout into the appropriate result (Pāli vipaka) when met with the right conditions. Most types of karmas, with good or bad results, will keep one within the wheel of samsāra, while others will liberate one to nirvāna.[citation needed]
Karma is one of five categories of causation, known collectively as niyama dhammas, the first being kamma, and the other four being utu (seasons and weather), bīja (heredity, lit. "seed"), chitta (mind) and dhamma (law, in the sense of nature's tendency to perfect).