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RE: What one thing would disprove Christianity to you?
December 28, 2012 at 2:21 pm
(This post was last modified: December 28, 2012 at 2:24 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Wait, we can't find the "why"...except..you know, when we can, like when we figured out "why" we can't? We're going to move something into the realm of philosophy that you have just blissfully informed us cannot be figured out from within the realm of philosophy without committing a logical fallacy?
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RE: What one thing would disprove Christianity to you?
December 28, 2012 at 2:44 pm
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(December 28, 2012 at 2:02 pm)Undeceived Wrote: Exactly. The bias is to withhold judgment until a natural solution is found. That might be a fine practice in discovering how things work but science has never discovered a solution natural or supernatural why things work. Scientific laws are in the "why" category. Not only has a "why" never been found, but hundreds of philosophers have argued why it can never be found (it requires ending the chain of efficient causes as we know it--a logical fallacy). So why don't we move into the realm of philosophy for answers rather than holding out for the improbable? So you propose an ultimate answer for the "why" question.... god, the immaterial conscious entity... which is a logical fallacy, if I read you right. 
Why do people ask such questions as "why things work"?
Sometimes, although a question is correctly formulated, that doesn't mean that the question makes sense, nor that it has an answer.
A "why" question, as opposed to a "how" one, assumes some intent for the action... Intent requires some consciousness. How can there be such an intent if a consciousness is missing? If there's no intent, then the "why" question makes no sense.
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RE: What one thing would disprove Christianity to you?
December 28, 2012 at 2:45 pm
The first passage in the bible. It reads like a novel. Not a historical account.
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Re: RE: What one thing would disprove Christianity to you?
December 28, 2012 at 3:47 pm
(December 2, 2012 at 11:16 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: To the Christians on the forum: What one (and only one) thing would if shown to be true, disprove Christianity entirely for you?
An atheist theory.
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RE: What one thing would disprove Christianity to you?
December 28, 2012 at 3:50 pm
(December 28, 2012 at 3:47 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: An atheist theory.
That's easy:
God didn't do it!
Your conversion is now complete.
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RE: What one thing would disprove Christianity to you?
December 28, 2012 at 7:56 pm
(December 28, 2012 at 3:47 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: (December 2, 2012 at 11:16 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: To the Christians on the forum: What one (and only one) thing would if shown to be true, disprove Christianity entirely for you?
An atheist theory.
All these years on an atheist forum, thousands of posts, countless responses, and he still doesn't understand what atheism is.
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Re: RE: What one thing would disprove Christianity to you?
December 28, 2012 at 8:05 pm
(December 28, 2012 at 3:50 pm)cato123 Wrote: (December 28, 2012 at 3:47 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: An atheist theory.
That's easy:
God didn't do it!
Your conversion is now complete.
Good example. To make such a claim would require your consideration of "God".
QED
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RE: What one thing would disprove Christianity to you?
December 28, 2012 at 9:03 pm
Undeceived Wrote:We know the feelings come from God because they are not natural to the human psyche-- love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. We don’t create them, the Spirit of God living within us does.
You left out all of God's favorite feelings: greed, hate, avarice, jealousy, angst, callousness, genocidal, mysogyny, homophobia, etc.
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RE: What one thing would disprove Christianity to you?
December 29, 2012 at 1:10 am
Undeceived Wrote:Exactly. The bias is to withhold judgment until a natural solution is found.
So, scientists are bias because in the absence of any understanding of natural mechanisms they refuse to entertain an untestable, supernatural hypothesis? I think you are confusing bias with intellectual integrity, which is that the lack of evidence for one hypothesis does not strengthen the case for another. Each must meet the burden of proof, and the fact that our current body of scientific knowledge lacks a natural explanation does not get the supernatural explanation any closer to meeting this burden. Therefore, judgement must be withheld until an hypothesis can meet this burden, which every supernatural claim has failed to do.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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RE: What one thing would disprove Christianity to you?
December 29, 2012 at 1:33 am
(December 28, 2012 at 8:05 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Good example. To make such a claim would require your consideration of "God".
QED
I consider Mary Poppins too. What's your point?
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