(December 31, 2012 at 3:40 am)Mark 13:13 Wrote: Just as a fish being rescued out of a drying up pool in a drought will struggle and suffer in the hands of its rescuer and won't understand that it is being relocated into a lake bigger than it could ever imagine, we can feel the same when something so much more advanced than us moves us from the finite to the infinite.

You shouldn't be suffering at all.

If you propose "god is great" then you should never have suffered at all.

Therefore god is not great, just another egotistical arsehole.

(December 31, 2012 at 3:40 am)Mark 13:13 Wrote: I think the issue of white horse is red herring lol , who knows but my interpretation is that its symbolic and the white horse shows Christ coming in the second phase and role of Messiah, ie in kingship displaying his full power and his intention of using it. As to why not sooner, again I do not posses the capacity to create even a single molecule from nothing so how can I even come close to understanding the Creator of the Cosmos in its vastness in space and time. Just as a fish being rescued out of a drying up pool in a drought will struggle and suffer in the hands of its rescuer and won't understand that it is being relocated into a lake bigger than it could ever imagine, we can feel the same when something so much more advanced than us moves us from the finite to the infinite.

Maybe the reason that he had to leave after rising from the dead... is that he didn't rise from the dead!! And the reason that he has not returned sooner is that he is dead... It kind of sucks. But it does make sense.

When you think about it there was no reason to leave shortly after rising from the dead. Think of how much more effective it would have been if he had made public appearances and taught AFTER rising from the dead! Now that would have really been something.

The crucified Jesus has risen from the dead and is continuing to teach, and help people!!!!

But now the story of him only appearing to a few key people and then flying off to heaven on a chariot... sounds a little contrived... Like somebody stole the body from the tomb and made up a story.

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(December 31, 2012 at 2:48 am)cato123 Wrote:

(December 31, 2012 at 12:57 am)RichardP Wrote: I got this from the Book of Revelations.

Hopefully, when Jesus comes again, he will stick around a little longer. I don't know why he went back to heaven after rising from the dead.. He wasn't even 40 years old....!

Oh, fuck me! You used Jesus, cum, and stick in the same sentence. Fucking hilarious, even if you didn't mean it as such.

Poor Jesus was a virgin... Maybe in is second coming God will be a little less restrictive and let him have sex with women. At least one woman!!!!!

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I've been giving this a lot of deep thought lately and I'm a little concerned. Jesus is supposed to return on a white horse and lead a war. Think about that. Think about how much it would suck if you got killed by Jesus. That is like a double damn! Or think about what it would be like to be on the wrong side and fighting to protect the life of your wife and kids -- against 'God'.... And how can you kill him??? That would really really suck!

So here is what I propose. I say that we intercept Jesus when he makes this second coming on his white horse. And I say that we take him to Las Vegas and get him laid.

You think Jesus would need help getting laid? I you guarantee you that the son of god could get all the tail he wants.

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(December 30, 2012 at 10:43 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Well, there was that bit about JC riding on a donkey and an ass at the same time. Maybe he had the one stacked on top of the other and rode on top. Presumably while juggling flaming torches and spinning hoops on his feet.

That's a mistranslation. It is supposed to say that an ass is riding a donkey.

Quote: I do not posses the capacity to create even a single molecule from nothing so how can I even come close to understanding the Creator of the Cosmos

Humans, no smarter than you, invented him and all the other gods throughout history and sold him to the ignorant. It's been going on for millenia, now. Someone also invented Odin and made him way cooler than your dour god.

(December 31, 2012 at 11:12 am)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote: I do not posses the capacity to create even a single molecule from nothing so how can I even come close to understanding the Creator of the Cosmos

Humans, no smarter than you, invented him and all the other gods throughout history and sold him to the ignorant. It's been going on for millenia, now. Someone also invented Odin and made him way cooler than your dour god.

Can you prove what you have said, or is your position a belief based on no proof which by some definitions of the word could be called a faith. How does this make your position ultimately better or worse than mine from an intellectual point of view, which appears to be the general tone of your conversation.

None of you...pagans, muslims, xtians, whatever, have ever provided the slightest bit of evidence that your fairy tales are real.

When you find some ( hint, don't tell me about your fucking bible) let me know and I'll gladly evaluate it. If your "evidence" turns out to be convincing I will revise my position.

I'm not holding my breath, though.

You see, pal, I am not an atheist because I don't "believe" in your god. I am an atheist because you cannot demonstrate that your claims are true.

No evidence = no god.

(December 31, 2012 at 12:31 pm)Minimalist Wrote: None of you...pagans, muslims, xtians, whatever, have ever provided the slightest bit of evidence that your fairy tales are real.

When you find some ( hint, don't tell me about your fucking bible) let me know and I'll gladly evaluate it. If your "evidence" turns out to be convincing I will revise my position.

I'm not holding my breath, though.

You see, pal, I am not an atheist because I don't "believe" in your god. I am an atheist because you cannot demonstrate that your claims are true.

No evidence = no god.

I can and do understand your position; I might choose a different choice of words to express them but what the hell. Its you and you are expressing yourself and with a bit of oomph. We both know that I can't offer you the proofs you ask for (it would be like me asking you to explain what an orgasm feels like to a person paralysed since birth) and as far as the bible goes that's not a starting point to my faith, Jesus is. Without Him reading the Bible would be like trying to make sense of any book without being able to read. I believe that if you ask God to reveal Himself (convention) to you if he exists then he will in time but don't expect a Moses event lol. Apart from a little time and a feeling of being a little stupid what have you really got to loose?

jesus is dead bitch,get used to it

(December 31, 2012 at 12:56 pm)Mark 13:13 Wrote:

(December 31, 2012 at 12:31 pm)Minimalist Wrote: None of you...pagans, muslims, xtians, whatever, have ever provided the slightest bit of evidence that your fairy tales are real.

When you find some ( hint, don't tell me about your fucking bible) let me know and I'll gladly evaluate it. If your "evidence" turns out to be convincing I will revise my position.

I'm not holding my breath, though.

You see, pal, I am not an atheist because I don't "believe" in your god. I am an atheist because you cannot demonstrate that your claims are true.

No evidence = no god.

I can and do understand your position; I might choose a different choice of words to express them but what the hell. Its you and you are expressing yourself and with a bit of oomph. We both know that I can't offer you the proofs you ask for (it would be like me asking you to explain what an orgasm feels like to a person paralysed since birth) and as far as the bible goes that's not a starting point to my faith, Jesus is. Without Him reading the Bible would be like trying to make sense of any book without being able to read. I believe that if you ask God to reveal Himself (convention) to you if he exists then he will in time but don't expect a Moses event lol. Apart from a little time and a feeling of being a little stupid what have you really got to loose?

If he really does exist and wants to have a personal relationship with us all then why does he not just come and say hello?

(December 31, 2012 at 12:56 pm)Mark 13:13 Wrote:

(December 31, 2012 at 12:31 pm)Minimalist Wrote: None of you...pagans, muslims, xtians, whatever, have ever provided the slightest bit of evidence that your fairy tales are real.

When you find some ( hint, don't tell me about your fucking bible) let me know and I'll gladly evaluate it. If your "evidence" turns out to be convincing I will revise my position.

I'm not holding my breath, though.

You see, pal, I am not an atheist because I don't "believe" in your god. I am an atheist because you cannot demonstrate that your claims are true.

No evidence = no god.

I can and do understand your position; I might choose a different choice of words to express them but what the hell. Its you and you are expressing yourself and with a bit of oomph. We both know that I can't offer you the proofs you ask for (it would be like me asking you to explain what an orgasm feels like to a person paralysed since birth) and as far as the bible goes that's not a starting point to my faith, Jesus is. Without Him reading the Bible would be like trying to make sense of any book without being able to read. I believe that if you ask God to reveal Himself (convention) to you if he exists then he will in time but don't expect a Moses event lol. Apart from a little time and a feeling of being a little stupid what have you really got to loose?

Like many here I was raised catholic and rejected it. Religion makes more sense as a mechanism of social control. I'm 62 and feel no need for fantasies. I do not need what you are selling.