Will Jesus return on a white horse?

[Mark 13:13]

If he really does exist and wants to have a personal relationship with us all then why does he not just come and say hello?

I wish I could tell you , I do believe it is somewhere in the freewill/spiritual growth domain, and of course as you know being a Christian I believe he has in the person of Jesus Christ and will do again to finish the conversation. I also believe he does but we often don't recognize it as such. Reminds me of the story of the old guy in the flood who heard on the radio that the flood was coming and should leave his house but didn't saying God will save me, same again when the neighbours came and the water was lapping round his doorstep, and again when the national service came with a boat and again when the army sent a helicopter. When he dies he is angry with God and says why didn,t you save me and God just smiled and said i let you hear the radio warning, sent your neighbours, the national service, the army so in the end I decided we needed a little talk.

We need to be open to God who on the whole chooses to operate in a way I don't understand so I understand why other who don't believe understand even less. I don't blame them or believe they are stupid because of this, just not in the same place as me.

[Darwinian]

If he really does exist and wants to have a personal relationship with us all then why does he not just come and say hello?

I wish I could tell you , I do believe it is somewhere in the freewill/spiritual growth domain, and of course as you know being a Christian I believe he has in the person of Jesus Christ and will do again to finish the conversation. I also believe he does but we often don't recognize it as such. Reminds me of the story of the old guy in the flood who heard on the radio that the flood was coming and should leave his house but didn't saying God will save me, same again when the neighbours came and the water was lapping round his doorstep, and again when the national service came with a boat and again when the army sent a helicopter. When he dies he is angry with God and says why didn,t you save me and God just smiled and said i let you hear the radio warning, sent your neighbours, the national service, the army so in the end I decided we needed a little talk.

We need to be open to God who on the whole chooses to operate in a way I don't understand so I understand why other who don't believe understand even less. I don't blame them or believe they are stupid because of this, just not in the same place as me.

Rather than go through all these mental gymnastics isn't it just simpler and more logical to assume that he doesn't come and say hello because he doesn't exist?

[Mark 13:13]

Rather than go through all these mental gymnastics isn't just simpler and more logical to assume that he doesn't come and say hello because he doesn't exist?

Yes is the short answer, but consider this, why bother as scientists trying to find the answer to the origin of life the universe and everything when our experience so far seems to lead us just onward to an infinity of causality which means we can never get an answer. Would it not be a simpler and more logical approach to just accept a start does not exist so why go through mental gymnastics about dimensions on dimensions. Have you ever heard of the square root of 1. According to mathematics it doesn't exist, its called in maths an imaginary number. But so much physics is explained by use of this imaginary number.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Rather than go through all these mental gymnastics isn't just simpler and more logical to assume that he doesn't come and say hello because he doesn't exist?

Yes is the short answer, but consider this, why bother as scientists trying to find the answer to the origin of life the universe and everything when our experience so far seems to lead us just onward to an infinity of causality which means we can never get an answer. Would it not be a simpler and more logical approach to just accept a start does not exist so why go through mental gymnastics about dimensions on dimensions. Have you ever heard of the square root of 1. According to mathematics it doesn't exist, its called in maths an imaginary number. But so much physics is explained by use of this imaginary number.

I could be wrong but that's not how 'science' (not homogenous) works.

Science doesn't start with a conclusion and work backwards to prove it. It starts with a hypothesis and follows the evidence where it leads (either to support or disagree with it).

"I don't know" is the more reasonable and logical response to any question one doesn't actually know the answer to. Science is a tool we use to explore further and further into the unknown. If the answer to question 1 is 1000 other questions, then so be it. That's the 'magic' of science.

[Darwinian]

Rather than go through all these mental gymnastics isn't just simpler and more logical to assume that he doesn't come and say hello because he doesn't exist?

Yes is the short answer, but consider this, why bother as scientists trying to find the answer to the origin of life the universe and everything when our experience so far seems to lead us just onward to an infinity of causality which means we can never get an answer. Would it not be a simpler and more logical approach to just accept a start does not exist so why go through mental gymnastics about dimensions on dimensions. Have you ever heard of the square root of 1. According to mathematics it doesn't exist, its called in maths an imaginary number. But so much physics is explained by use of this imaginary number.

Because humans are intensely curious about the universe around them which is why religion is such an unsatisfactory dead end.

[Mark 13:13]

Because humans are intensely curious about the universe around them which is why religion is such an unsatisfactory dead end.

True and I would hope scientists keep exploring the universe as through this exploration we grow in understanding but far than being a dead end , real religion goes further than science and asks is there anything beyond our Cosmos and just as science needs to develop new tools and maths to explore further. The exploration of beyond the cosmos needs a different set of tools than our right sided brain offers.

[Darwinian]

Because humans are intensely curious about the universe around them which is why religion is such an unsatisfactory dead end.

True and I would hope scientists keep exploring the universe as through this exploration we grow in understanding but far than being a dead end , real religion goes further than science and asks is there anything beyond our Cosmos and just as science needs to develop new tools and maths to explore further. The exploration of beyond the cosmos needs a different set of tools than our right sided brain offers.

But religion also gives you answers and then expects you to believe them on pain of eternal damnation.

[Mark 13:13]

I could be wrong but that's not how 'science' (not homogenous) works.

Science doesn't start with a conclusion and work backwards to prove it. It starts with a hypothesis and follows the evidence where it leads (either to support or disagree with it).

"I don't know" is the more reasonable and logical response to any question one doesn't actually know the answer to. Science is a tool we use to explore further and further into the unknown. If the answer to question 1 is 1000 other questions, then so be it. That's the 'magic' of science.
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Well that's how science is supposed to work but in reality its not; just try and get funding to research for non current medical beliefs on curing cancer. Its called Paradigm Shift if science worked the scientific method properly as you outlined i'm quite sure we would be beyond the pill popping chop it out stage in medicine by now. But theres money in pills as ther is money in fossil fuels so why change.

[Welsh cake]

True and I would hope scientists keep exploring the universe as through this exploration we grow in understanding but far than being a dead end , real religion goes further than science and asks is there anything beyond our Cosmos and just as science needs to develop new tools and maths to explore further. The exploration of beyond the cosmos needs a different set of tools than our right sided brain offers.

Shouldn't we be concerned with the square-bounds of the ever-changing universe first? Before speculating what's outside it? If there is an "inside/outside" to begin with?

Worrying about "what's out there" while ignoring observable phenomena and providing explanations and predictions for them first is not just unscientific, its also impractical, like constructing the roof of a house in mid-air before you've even laid down the foundations.

[Cinjin]

But the real question is why is Jesus waiting to come again?

to save all of the comming generations looking to be saved.

Apparently your god isn't very good at math. Since "broad is the pathway to destruction" and he admits that few get into heaven, his delaying of the inevitable isn't exactly saving more people, it's condemning more souls to hell. In fact, one can easily argue that the only reason god would want to further delay his return is because he alone benefits by getting more subservient lobotomized slaves to worship him in heaven. What a narcissistic bastard you serve.

Takes some practice to learn to ride a horse. How would it look for the king of kings to fall off and break his fucking neck?

Just as a fish being rescued out of a drying up pool in a drought will struggle and suffer in the hands of its rescuer and won't understand that it is being relocated into a lake bigger than it could ever imagine, we can feel the same when something so much more advanced than us moves us from the finite to the infinite.

That same hand will let those rescued fish and all those left behind, fry on a grill. Your god, much like your analogy, is a load of bosh.

I can and do understand your position; I might choose a different choice of words to express them but what the hell. Its you and you are expressing yourself and with a bit of oomph. We both know that I can't offer you the proofs you ask for (it would be like me asking you to explain what an orgasm feels like to a person paralysed since birth) and as far as the bible goes that's not a starting point to my faith, Jesus is. Without Him reading the Bible would be like trying to make sense of any book without being able to read. I believe that if you ask God to reveal Himself (convention) to you if he exists then he will in time but don't expect a Moses event lol. Apart from a little time and a feeling of being a little stupid what have you really got to loose?

I always find it amusing that christards think that non-believers have never tried their religion. I was a devout believer once upon a time, so were these devout men of god. Get your head out of your ass ... many of us have tried the kool-aid.

Rather than go through all these mental gymnastics isn't just simpler and more logical to assume that he doesn't come and say hello because he doesn't exist?

Yes is the short answer, but consider this, why bother as scientists trying to find the answer to the origin of life the universe and everything when our experience so far seems to lead us just onward to an infinity of causality which means we can never get an answer. Would it not be a simpler and more logical approach to just accept a start does not exist so why go through mental gymnastics about dimensions on dimensions. Have you ever heard of the square root of 1. According to mathematics it doesn't exist, its called in maths an imaginary number. But so much physics is explained by use of this imaginary number.

Yes is the short answer??
Hey pal, yes is the only answer.