(March 25, 2013 at 8:42 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: God's punishment is merely your way of dealing with the idea that the only punishment we have is what we manage to mete out here and now, and it will never satisfy our baser desires.

Why is justice a base desire? I think it is a profound desire.

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Quote:I think it is a malicious, criminal tragedy to condemn a person to endless torture because they want proof that you exist.

God doesn't send people to hell because they want proof that God exists, God sends people to hell because they deserve punishment for sin.

In the Bible, there are people who are saved who are not Christians or Jews. I don't think eternal punishment is necessarily along the lines soly of whether people believe in the Christian God, because Job and Melchizdeck and the Ninevites are saved, despite being of a different faith.


Humility is not saying that you are small, humility is when you decrease you only care about other people and God. I would not say that this is where I am at. But this is what humility means. It is not someone who learns how to manipulate others by pretending to be small or act kind or flattering.

Jesus was a humble man who rebuked people and had a commanding presence. He was humble because Jesus put teaching the truth above his own life, as the early church did who followed him. A humble person is not someone who is timid, a humble person is someone who lives for others because his own life has been emptied so he can be a vessel of love for others.

I don't call eternal punishment 'justice'.

The Biblical Jesus didn't exist, jstrodel.

There is something you don't hear everyday. Even the ultra liberals at the Jesus Seminar and Bart Erhman and most atheists will acknowledge that Jesus was a historical person, evidenced by much in the Bible itself, documents from antiquity such as Joseph and Pliny the younger and other methods.

(March 25, 2013 at 9:42 pm)jstrodel Wrote: There is something you don't hear everyday. Even the ultra liberals at the Jesus Seminar and Bart Erhman and most atheists will acknowledge that Jesus was a historical person, evidenced by much in the Bible itself, documents from antiquity such as Joseph and Pliny the younger and other methods.

I said the Biblical Jesus never existed. The Bible shows us that his story has been greatly exaggerated meaning that not much can be derived at all about him i.e. Jesus may have existed, but the Biblical Jesus most certainly didn't.

(March 25, 2013 at 9:31 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: I don't call eternal punishment 'justice'.

I don't think it is only punishment, I think that people receive what they do in this life in the next. God is not only punishing people for bad things they do in hell, God is also rewarding what they do in this life. God gave me a revelation of hell where I saw all the events of my life together. God gave me this verse saying "a man reaps what he sows".

It is very fair. God gives people a limited number to choose whether to accept God or not. After that, they receive what they choose in this life, with levels of punishment that are appropriate.

The wicked continue to sin in hell, they recieve what they choose on earth.

Let the one who does wrong continue to do wrong; let the vile person continue to be vile; let the one who does right continue to do right; and let the holy person continue to be holy." Rev 22:11

Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand. Daniel 12:10

Hell is not only punishment God is fair with people and repays them for what they have done on earth.

Everyone gets what they want in the end. I have experienced the judgements of God myself. It is real.

Historically he's highly disputed still as well. You have to be very generous. Discuss with Min.

(March 25, 2013 at 9:46 pm)FallentoReason Wrote:

(March 25, 2013 at 9:42 pm)jstrodel Wrote: There is something you don't hear everyday. Even the ultra liberals at the Jesus Seminar and Bart Erhman and most atheists will acknowledge that Jesus was a historical person, evidenced by much in the Bible itself, documents from antiquity such as Joseph and Pliny the younger and other methods.

I said the Biblical Jesus never existed. The Bible shows us that his story has been greatly exaggerated meaning that not much can be derived at all about him i.e. Jesus may have existed, but the Biblical Jesus most certainly didn't.

Do you have any evidence for that?

(March 25, 2013 at 9:42 pm)jstrodel Wrote: There is something you don't hear everyday. Even the ultra liberals at the Jesus Seminar and Bart Erhman and most atheists will acknowledge that Jesus was a historical person, evidenced by much in the Bible itself, documents from antiquity such as Joseph and Pliny the younger and other methods.

Sorry, there is no viable evidence Jesus of the body bible ever existed. The bible is not a valid source of evidence, somewhat like saying the books for Lord of the Rings is valid evidence for Hobbits.

(March 25, 2013 at 9:47 pm)jstrodel Wrote: God gave me a revelation of hell

I have bad dreams sometimes too, buddy. It's okay.