(March 21, 2013 at 9:35 pm)jstrodel Wrote: Why not?

Because I think you're a putz.

Quote:Nazis respect Hitler. Therefore...
Not that being religious is comparable to Nazism, or anything, just following this line of logic to the end. It isn't like people don't disrespect atheism all the time (though there isn't any particular figure to disrespect, per se).

I don't see why atheists feel the need to disrespect religious figures in the childish and cruel way that they do. I don't disrespect atheists, ever, I don't ridicule atheists, I have criticized atheists harshly, but it was done in love, I don't go around just making fun of atheists for fun.

It is a serious thing to make fun of God. You are convincing others that religious authority is illegitimate, and you are not using reason to do it, you are mocking religion. I can assure you that God will not forget this. I saw every event of my life flash before my eyes, the judgement is real.

Why not criticize religion instead of mocking it? Why aim your advocacy at the young and those incapable of argumentation? Why do you need to rely on mocking and non rational persuasion techniques if, in fact, your belief system is intellectually tenable (which it isn't).

Quote:Sin =/= bad things. It only means things your god is said to not approve of. You yourself said that evil was simply whatever god didn't like.
This is the very definition of subjective morality, and for which no evidence beyond opinion has been applied.

This is the fruit of atheists mocking religion. They think that even if God existed, they wouldn't have any responsibility to listen to God or value God's perceptions of the life that God created and fixed each thing with a specific end and purpose and values at the moment God created it. It is because atheists have no respect and are often simply proud, haughty people.

God has authority because God is God and God created everything. Can't you just accept that if God existed, you would be obligated to obey HaShem?

(March 26, 2013 at 10:36 pm)jstrodel Wrote: No, that is not true, you can just respect things that other people respect because you are a decent person.

Bullshit! If this were true I would be able to exchange legal tender notes for beer on Sunday. Alas, I cannot. So much for the Christian idea of decency and mutual respect.

Do you think there should be any limits on alcohol consumption? Do you think there should be a legal drinking age? Do you think alcohol should be distinguished from other activities in any way?

(March 26, 2013 at 10:59 pm)jstrodel Wrote: It is a serious thing to make fun of God. You are convincing others that religious authority is illegitimate, and you are not using reason to do it, you are mocking religion. I can assure you that God will not forget this. I saw every event of my life flash before my eyes, the judgement is real.

Why not criticize religion instead of mocking it?

How would I know? I don't do it very often, and when I do it isn't with the intent of making the church seem illegitimate (well, unless you count pointing out the cover ups of pedophile priests as blasphemy...).

(March 26, 2013 at 10:59 pm)jstrodel Wrote: Why aim your advocacy at the young and those incapable of argumentation?

I thought that was what religions did...

(March 26, 2013 at 10:59 pm)jstrodel Wrote: Why do you need to rely on mocking and non rational persuasion techniques if, in fact, your belief system is intellectually tenable (which it isn't).

I don't. And yours isn't...not that saying that will get either of us anywhere.

(March 26, 2013 at 10:59 pm)jstrodel Wrote:

Quote:Sin =/= bad things. It only means things your god is said to not approve of. You yourself said that evil was simply whatever god didn't like.
This is the very definition of subjective morality, and for which no evidence beyond opinion has been applied.

This is the fruit of atheists mocking religion. They think that even if God existed, they wouldn't have any responsibility to listen to God or value God's perceptions of the life that God created and fixed each thing with a specific end and purpose and values at the moment God created it. It is because atheists have no respect and are often simply proud, haughty people.

Keep telling yourself that...

(March 26, 2013 at 10:59 pm)jstrodel Wrote: God has authority because God is God and God created everything. Can't you just accept that if God existed, you would be obligated to obey HaShem?

He didn't create me. Why would you think that he did? Also, if a human succeeded in creating life from scratch, would it be moral to allow the human to create more (sentient, even) beings to use them as slaves?

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(March 26, 2013 at 11:08 pm)jstrodel Wrote: Do you think there should be any limits on alcohol consumption? Do you think there should be a legal drinking age? Do you think alcohol should be distinguished from other activities in any way?

I'm not sure how this is relevant, but in order:

1. There are already physical limits on it (if you drink enough you will die of alcohol poisoning), but that aside you should still keep it under control, but hey, if you aren't driving or otherwise endangering other people, it's your hangover to have.

2. Most likely. What the age is that someone can first drink responsibly at is another story (and there will always be people who drink way to much at any age)

3. Uh...yeah, shouldn't everything be distinguishable? Or is that not what you meant? I think insomuch as the risks should be noted, it should be distinguished.

Humans couldn't create life from scratch, they would create it out of the material they are made out of. Totally different from the way God creates.


It is perfectly legitimate to criticize pedophile priests. It is not legitimate to mock religious deities and try and have a race to the bottom with the lowest level of respect and the least quantity of fear of God or consideration for religious beliefs.


Religion and families: Religion has been dealing with family issues for thousands of years. They know how to do it. This is different from an atheist who knows nothing about families, but goes around proselytizing atheism to kids and creating media that is aimed at kids (for example, see "The Infidel Guy"). It is one thing if you are an atheist who is a social worker professionally, but another thing to deliberate disrupt the moral life of families by teaching them that believing in God is the same as believing in the tooth fairy. Notice the language is intentionally designed to play on youths psychological processes of maturing, and is intentionally an attack on young people who desire to have maturity in their lives.

The atheists who do this will not explain the right way to live as a family, they will just try and tell people that it is foolish and even use the word "evil" to refer to believing in God and trying to follow religion. They are poisoning the minds of the young and doing damage that is far more serious to them than would happen if someone only raped them. A rape will not cause someone to lose all of their morality over their entire life, but being taught that morality is a social construction and can be ignored in many cases will be with them the rest of their life, constantly removing their sense of responsibility for others.

(March 26, 2013 at 11:17 pm)jstrodel Wrote: Totally different from the way God creates.

That would be false, because according to the Bible God could only create Adam from dust and Eve had to be created from Adam's rib. Obviously, he was unable to create humanity from nothing.

(March 26, 2013 at 11:17 pm)jstrodel Wrote: Religion and families: Religion has been dealing with family issues for thousands of years.

And they haven't much changed methods. Although, to their credit, they no longer advocate the stoning of rebellious kids.

(March 26, 2013 at 11:17 pm)jstrodel Wrote: This is different from an atheist who knows nothing about families, but goes around proselytizing atheism to kids and creating media that is aimed at kids (for example, see "The Infidel Guy").

The way you say this implies that they know nothing about families because they are atheist. This was intentional, was it not?

(March 26, 2013 at 11:17 pm)jstrodel Wrote: It is one thing if you are an atheist who is a social worker professionally, but another thing to deliberate disrupt the moral life of families by teaching them that believing in God is the same as believing in the tooth fairy. Notice the language is intentionally designed to play on youths psychological processes of maturing, and is intentionally an attack on young people who desire to have maturity in their lives.

How many people actually tell this stuff to little kids? I can't think of any. I have only ever heard (from personal stories of people on this board) of parents not indoctrinating their kids, and the kids coming to that conclusion on their own.

(March 26, 2013 at 11:17 pm)jstrodel Wrote: The atheists who do this will not explain the right way to live as a family, they will just try and tell people that it is foolish and even use the word "evil" to refer to believing in God and trying to follow religion. They are poisoning the minds of the young and doing damage that is far more serious to them than would happen if someone only raped them. A rape will not cause someone to lose all of their morality over their entire life, but being taught that morality is a social construction and can be ignored in many cases will be with them the rest of their life, constantly removing their sense of responsibility for others.

Who's teaching that morals can be ignored in most cases? Do you live on a farm? Because you've built an awful lot of strawmen.

If any atheist here acts as jstrodel outlined above, could they make themselves known, because I can't think of anyone who fits into that, and I know I certainly don't.

(March 26, 2013 at 11:20 pm)Mr Infidel Wrote:

(March 26, 2013 at 11:17 pm)jstrodel Wrote: Totally different from the way God creates.

That would be false, because according to the Bible God could only create Adam from dust and Eve had to be created from Adam's rib. Obviously, he was unable to create humanity from nothing.

You are just trying to prove atheism out of anything you can, and I'm not going to respond.

(March 26, 2013 at 11:30 pm)jstrodel Wrote:

(March 26, 2013 at 11:20 pm)Mr Infidel Wrote: That would be false, because according to the Bible God could only create Adam from dust and Eve had to be created from Adam's rib. Obviously, he was unable to create humanity from nothing.

You are just trying to prove atheism out of anything you can, and I'm not going to respond.

You just did.