I guess if you don't recognize a human life as being actually human, and having intrinsic value, then it really doesn't matter what I say. In the end you're just a clump of cells, too, just bigger.

(April 4, 2013 at 5:28 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: In the end you're just a clump of cells, too, just bigger.

Technically, yes.

In a rape case where the mother gets pregnant, we can speak of the perversion that created the baby as evil, but we can't say that the baby is evil nor should we punish the baby for how it was created.

(April 4, 2013 at 6:25 pm)Tex Wrote: In a rape case where the mother gets pregnant, we can speak of the perversion that created the baby as evil, but we can't say that the baby is evil nor should we punish the baby for how it was created.

It's not punishment when it's not even a baby yet..

(April 4, 2013 at 6:25 pm)Tex Wrote: In a rape case where the mother gets pregnant, we can speak of the perversion that created the baby as evil, but we can't say that the baby is evil nor should we punish the baby for how it was created.

You mean...the sins of the father don't carry to the child?

I wasn't speaking medically. The young human that has yet to be born is informally called "baby" from time to time. Yes, medically, its an embryo/fetus.

(April 4, 2013 at 10:51 pm)Tex Wrote: Yes, medically, its an embryo/fetus.

And it's undeniably a human life? Human life starts when human life starts. Biologically speaking that's conception. There is no other logical starting place.

(April 4, 2013 at 11:00 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: And it's undeniably a human life? Human life starts when human life starts. Biologically speaking that's conception. There is no other logical starting place.

Hello ChadWooters. Interesting "logic" you operate under. If this is your argument, then at least 50% of human life is destroyed "naturally" by the mother since less than 50% of fertilized eggs go on to pregnancy. Also, what about identical twins and triplets? When does their unique life start? Remember - this happens merely if the embryo splits in two. So if your argument is that a fertilized egg a few hours old is a human life, then how come can in fact develop into several human lives?

What kind of "logic" do you operate under, and how is it superior to science?

I don't particularly approve of abortions in any situation where the mother or other foetus lives are in danger. However I am able to stomach abortions up to about 6 weeks into the trimester (or roughly 4 weeks after actual conception). If I could change the law, I would change it so that all abortions - except where the lives of the mother or other foetus are in danger - after the end of the fifth week of pregnancy are illegal. I believe in the sanctity of human life, and that a 6 week old embryo is undeniably human. A six week old embryo is only 8mm thick, but that's when the heart starts beating and its own blood is first formed.

(April 2, 2013 at 8:32 am)The Germans are coming Wrote: Instead of justifying my possition on the matter and explain.
I would like to know from the religious folk some things:


Which messures to avoid unwanted pregancies would you aprove off?

Which messures to prevent single mums from drifting into poverty would you aprove of?

Which mesures to prevent teen preagnacies would you aprove of?

Which messures to avoid parents from drifting into poverty would you aprove of?

Which messures to ensure that a child does not become a burden on the mothers carreer and life would you aprove of?

Which messures for unwanted preagnancies would you aprove of?




And finaly: at which age is it alright to watch a person die or kill a person?

How about we stop getting pregnant.. here's some news: sex causes pregnancy!! I know it's hard to say no people, but it's much harder to raise a child.. I know.. I've got one.. Regardless of whatever you say.. Babies are human beings, so why is it okay to kill them? Would you like to be killed just because your parents can't afford you? It's no different than killing a child that has already been born...

(April 5, 2013 at 6:53 am)Mr_Dew7 Wrote: How about we stop getting pregnant.. here's some news: sex causes pregnancy!! I know it's hard to say no people, but it's much harder to raise a child.. I know.. I've got one.. Regardless of whatever you say.. Babies are human beings, so why is it okay to kill them? Would you like to be killed just because your parents can't afford you? It's no different than killing a child that has already been born...

But let me guess: You oppose contraception.

I see it as outright totalitarian to oppose abortion and to then also oppose contraception in a way which implies that you or others want to inforce these moral codes on sociaty in total.

I have a right to my sexlife!

It is non of you fucking buisness nore the buisness of any religious institution what the fuck I do in my bedroom!

And it is benefitial for sociaty in total to be educated on sex.


I agree that having less sex will stop abortions and that being a pious sexless religious individual will also stop abortions, yet your moral codes on sexuality of which the repressentatives have the audaciousness to imply that they should be applied on sociaty in total deserve nothing but complete rejection!
Do as an individual as you wish! But stay the fuck out of peoples sexlives!