My bad.

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Unfortunately, the author gives no source for this claim, "Bede admits this idea is his speculation – he is not actually aware of a goddess called Eostre, he just thinks there was one." Rather, he or she actually only posts a quote that refutes that claim (that it is speculation). Moreoever, that is about the only thing written in that article that isn't just filler. That being said, I have no horse in this race. I don't really care if it is a Christian holiday. It's bullshit either way. And, I leave you with an update at the bottom of the article:

"UPDATE: I have just seen a strong and intelligent article arguing for the existence of Eostre, from the Keeper of Seasons Hall blog. This has convinced me the case for Eostre is far stronger than I had thought – do read this — http://www.koshabq.org/2012/03/09/celebrating-eostre/ And whatever your reason for celebrating the season, have a wonderful time!"

Carry on.

Doesn't Eostre derive from Ishtar?

(April 11, 2013 at 1:42 pm)Shell B Wrote: That being said, I have no horse in this race.

My attitude, especially as we use eggs and shit in Passover which is a completely fabricated event of momentous bullshittery with some fucking awesome food so...meh. Maybe we should have a spring festivus with eggs and chocolate and matzo ball soup and charoset and call it a day.

Symbols and traditions can be adapted and revised to have a totally different meaning. Take the swastika. Before nazism, the swastika was not associated wih cruelty...but today(after the war) it is.

The whole resurrection/walking god thing was pagan, why should Easter be any different?

Let's look at the word gay. It has two meanings.1 to be happy.2sexual orinatation. But in what context in todays world do we understand the word gay means? We know that christmas trees have pagan origen.But in the context of the world today the association is the birth of jesus. Hitler tried in nazi germany to regress the meaning of the christmas tree back to the understanding of pagan ritutal. He failed because nazism failed. Symbols and traditions don't define ideal...but its the idea that defines the contents of the symbol and traditions message.

(April 11, 2013 at 9:27 pm)ebg Wrote: Hitler tried in nazi germany to regress the meaning of the christmas tree back to the understanding of pagan ritutal. He failed because nazism failed.
Symbols and traditions don't define ideal...but its the idea that defines the contents of the symbol and traditions message.

I did not know that.

I thought you were going to say something about how Hitler corrupted the Swastika.

Yes, one can say hitler did corrupt the meaning of the swastika for future generations (he first saw the symbol when he was a choir boy in the catholic church.)

(April 11, 2013 at 11:44 am)paulpablo Wrote: I think it is but who knows, lets argue about it in this thread and come to a conclusion!

Try this as the preeminent website for astrotheology. http://truthbeknown.com/

Ishtar, Astarte, Ashara, Isis, Aphrodite and other variations on the goddesses closely related but also reinvented for the local culture. Even the sun rises in Ishtar, Easter, East. Despite the lunar calender method of deciding when it happens it is a vernal equinox celebration. As to pagan Christians seem to have renamed her Mary while copying mainly the Isis imagining of the story.

Reimagining: What Hollywood does to reboot a franchise.

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(April 11, 2013 at 11:56 am)futilethewinds Wrote: I don't like arguments. I like debates.

debate: my honorable opponent

argument: that son of a bitch

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(April 11, 2013 at 2:21 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Doesn't Eostre derive from Ishtar?

Quite likely but comparing their stories is how to tell. The Indo-European gods are all fairly similar in name and stories.

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(April 11, 2013 at 2:23 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote:

(April 11, 2013 at 1:42 pm)Shell B Wrote: That being said, I have no horse in this race.

My attitude, especially as we use eggs and shit in Passover which is a completely fabricated event of momentous bullshittery with some fucking awesome food so...meh. Maybe we should have a spring festivus with eggs and chocolate and matzo ball soup and charoset and call it a day.

Passover (with variations of pascal in Romance languages) is an interesting case. As we know Moses and get out of Egypt are myths. What was Passover before the Moses myth was invented? Of was the celebration invented along with the myth?

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(April 11, 2013 at 9:27 pm)ebg Wrote: Let's look at the word gay. It has two meanings.1 to be happy.2sexual orinatation. But in what context in todays world do we understand the word gay means? We know that christmas trees have pagan origen.But in the context of the world today the association is the birth of jesus. Hitler tried in nazi germany to regress the meaning of the christmas tree back to the understanding of pagan ritutal. He failed because nazism failed. Symbols and traditions don't define ideal...but its the idea that defines the contents of the symbol and traditions message.

The traditional symbol used in Germany was called the Hakenkreuz, the hooked cross. The Nazis always called in the hooked cross. It was the Brits who started calling is by its northwest India (which included today's Pakistan) by the Indian name swastika.

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(April 11, 2013 at 9:27 pm)ebg Wrote: ... Hitler tried in nazi germany to regress the meaning of the christmas tree back to the understanding of pagan ritutal. ...

Technically that was Himmler. Reportedly Hitler attended only one of is revival attacks and after listening to the singing commented, "It will never replace Silent Night."

Being that Hitler was a control freak...Himmler didn't do anything that Hitler wasn't informed about...even Himmler's search for the Holy Grail that he and Hitler believed was given to the Arian race of the lost city of Atlantis by a mystic germanic god, and was filled with pure arian blood...and that the jews stole the Holy Grail and corrupted it.