(May 8, 2013 at 3:55 am)LastPoet Wrote: The christian vs muslim discussion on this thread reminds me of 2 kids discussing which super-hero is the strongest

Everyone knows superman is the best!

(May 6, 2013 at 2:20 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote:

(May 5, 2013 at 8:53 am)festive1 Wrote: So... In your latest thread you clearly assert that the bible cannot be trusted. Doesn't that negate any support of Islam derived from the Torah or the Old Testament? It seems to me you enjoy shooting your own cause in the foot...

The Quran is not derived
It is revealed from God to Mohamed
But as he is the same God of the jews and Christians, it is very similar to the original Judaism or Christianity

You misread or misunderstood what I wrote. I said, the SUPPORT (or prediction) you claim for/of Islam from the Old Testament and the Torah is negated by the fact you admit the Bible cannot be trusted.

Your purpose of this thread is to assert that the Bible predicts the revelation shown to Mohamed, but you started another thread stating the Bible is a load of hogwash. You can't have it both ways, so which way is it? Does the Bible predict and support Islam? Or is the Bible an untrustworthy book? If the Bible predicts and supports Islam, yet is untrustworthy, how does that support Islam at all? Thus my conclusion that you're shooting your own cause in the foot.

(May 8, 2013 at 4:55 am)Dragonetti Wrote: Also, if god is outside the universe, where does he resides? If he is not similar to anything in the universe, then how does he knows to make us? If resides out of space-time, then what time is he using? If he is too complex to understand, then that requires faith.

1: He resides at the North Pole. Why do you thing that both Santa and God are old guys with long white beards. Besides, unless he was God, how could Santa deliver all that stuff in only one night?
2:I imagine he's using Greenwich Mean Time. What else would he use?
3:Hell, I'm to complex to understand! Does that mean my wife requires faith?

(May 8, 2013 at 6:35 am)pocaracas Wrote:

(May 8, 2013 at 3:55 am)LastPoet Wrote: The christian vs muslim discussion on this thread reminds me of 2 kids discussing which super-hero is the strongest

Everyone knows superman is the best!

Oh do we now? Clearly, Batman is best. Apparently you hadn't heard the news.

(May 8, 2013 at 6:47 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

(May 8, 2013 at 6:35 am)pocaracas Wrote: Everyone knows superman is the best!

Oh do we now? Clearly, Batman is best. Apparently you hadn't heard the news.

Batman is a wuss.

Really, this is a spoiler, do not open if you want to go through the "Injustice:gods among us" comics (the game seems to be crap, but the comics are alright)

(May 7, 2013 at 8:00 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote:

(May 6, 2013 at 7:43 pm)A_Nony_Mouse Wrote: Then eternity is out the window also.

It depends on your definition of eternity!

I am aware of orders of infinity. What is your definition of eternity? Everything happens at once?

(May 8, 2013 at 6:56 am)festive1 Wrote: Your purpose of this thread is to assert that the Bible predicts the revelation shown to Mohamed, but you started another thread stating the Bible is a load of hogwash. You can't have it both ways, so which way is it? Does the Bible predict and support Islam? Or is the Bible an untrustworthy book? If the Bible predicts and supports Islam, yet is untrustworthy, how does that support Islam at all? Thus my conclusion that you're shooting your own cause in the foot.

No, I can have it both ways
here is how!

Proving that the Bible is false is straight forward, if it has even a single error then it cannot come 100% from God.

If the Bible (or any book) predicts precisely Mohamed or any future event, these predictions cannot be a coincidence it must come from God

for example:
Nostradamus wrote
Century 2, Quatrain #28
"The last son of the man with the prophet's name will bring Diana to her day of rest.

If you accept that this refers to Dodi ElFayed and Diana death, this statement must come from God to predict such event, even if Nostradamus himself was a liar/mistaken in many occasions.

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(May 8, 2013 at 7:30 pm)A_Nony_Mouse Wrote:

(May 7, 2013 at 8:00 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: It depends on your definition of eternity!

I am aware of orders of infinity. What is your definition of eternity? Everything happens at once?

For me eternity is just an approximation we use for very large numbers

Infinity is impossible to exist, in the past or future.

(May 11, 2013 at 4:34 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote:

(May 8, 2013 at 6:56 am)festive1 Wrote: Your purpose of this thread is to assert that the Bible predicts the revelation shown to Mohamed, but you started another thread stating the Bible is a load of hogwash. You can't have it both ways, so which way is it? Does the Bible predict and support Islam? Or is the Bible an untrustworthy book? If the Bible predicts and supports Islam, yet is untrustworthy, how does that support Islam at all? Thus my conclusion that you're shooting your own cause in the foot.

No, I can have it both ways
here is how!

Proving that the Bible is false is straight forward, if it has even a single error then it cannot come 100% from God.

If the Bible (or any book) predicts precisely Mohamed or any future event, these predictions cannot be a coincidence it must come from God

for example:
Nostradamus wrote
Century 2, Quatrain #28
"The last son of the man with the prophet's name will bring Diana to her day of rest.

If you accept that this refers to Dodi ElFayed and Diana death, this statement must come from God to predict such event, even if Nostradamus himself was a liar/mistaken in many occasions.

Oh, I see...
I predict that somewhere on this planet, Earth, at sometime today, May 11, 2013, someone named Bob is going to be in a car crash. It won't even make the evening news. See, I'm ordained by god, too!

(May 11, 2013 at 4:34 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote:

(May 8, 2013 at 6:56 am)festive1 Wrote: Your purpose of this thread is to assert that the Bible predicts the revelation shown to Mohamed, but you started another thread stating the Bible is a load of hogwash. You can't have it both ways, so which way is it? Does the Bible predict and support Islam? Or is the Bible an untrustworthy book? If the Bible predicts and supports Islam, yet is untrustworthy, how does that support Islam at all? Thus my conclusion that you're shooting your own cause in the foot.

No, I can have it both ways
here is how!

Proving that the Bible is false is straight forward, if it has even a single error then it cannot come 100% from God.

If the Bible (or any book) predicts precisely Mohamed or any future event, these predictions cannot be a coincidence it must come from God

for example:
Nostradamus wrote
Century 2, Quatrain #28
"The last son of the man with the prophet's name will bring Diana to her day of rest.

If you accept that this refers to Dodi ElFayed and Diana death, this statement must come from God to predict such event, even if Nostradamus himself was a liar/mistaken in many occasions.

Really, logic?

(May 11, 2013 at 4:34 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: If the Bible (or any book) predicts precisely Mohamed or any future event, these predictions cannot be a coincidence it must come from God

for example:
Nostradamus wrote
Century 2, Quatrain #28
"The last son of the man with the prophet's name will bring Diana to her day of rest.

If you accept that this refers to Dodi ElFayed and Diana death, this statement must come from God to predict such event, even if Nostradamus himself was a liar/mistaken in many occasions.

Well, first off, the original text of Nostradamus' quatrain refers to "Diane" with an 'e' on the end, not "Diana," which was princess Diana's given name.

So in addition to other problems (such as the prophet's name being very common and the dangling participle 'repos'), you've altered the text to make it fit the facts.

Quote:Le penultiesme du surnom du Prophete,
Prendra Diane pour son iour & repos:
Loing vaguera par frenetique teste,
En deliurant vn grand peuple d'impos.

The penultimate of the surname of the Prophet
Will take Diane for his day and rest:
He will wander far because of a frantic head,
And delivering a great people from subjection.

(ETA: A website I was reading pointed out that a reasonable interpretation of the reference to 'du surnom du Prophete' would be to Nostradamus' own surname, seeing as these are his prophesies. Is Mohammed actually the prophet of Islam's surname?)