Could it not be said then the the whole abrahamic traditions and the texts associated with that barbarism can not be trusted?

(May 8, 2013 at 10:47 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Could it not be said then the the whole abrahamic traditions and the texts associated with that barbarism can not be trusted?

Not really. Much of it has been corroborated by outside sources, but then again those sources are much more detailed for certain events the Biblical authors merely glanced over (key being the siege of Lachish by the Assyrians).

(May 8, 2013 at 5:01 am)Aractus Wrote: I am still waiting for you to respond to my last post.

(May 8, 2013 at 4:35 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: You need to understand the correct Islamic view about the Bible and Christianity!

There is no religion called Christianity, Jesus was a Jewish prophet who came to guide the Jews back to Judaism (He said that in the current Bible)

The Current Bible was altered by many people throw history, so it cannot be trusted, it has some truth but we don't know which!

• Acts 11:26: and when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. For a whole year they met with the church and taught a great many people. And in Antioch the disciples were first called Christians.
  
  Acts 26:28: And Agrippa said to Paul, “In a short time would you persuade me to be a Christian?”
  
  1 Peter 4:16: Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in that name.
  
  Galatians 2:16: yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
  
  Luke 22:19-20: And he took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to them, saying, “THIS IS MY BODY, WHICH IS GIVEN FOR YOU. DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME.” And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “THIS CUP THAT IS POURED OUT FOR YOU IS THE NEW COVENANT IN MY BLOOD.
  
  John 14:6-7: Jesus said to him, “I AM THE WAY, AND THE TRUTH, AND THE LIFE. NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME. IF YOU HAD KNOWN ME, YOU WOULD HAVE KNOWN MY FATHER ALSO. FROM NOW ON YOU DO KNOW HIM AND HAVE SEEN HIM.”
  
  Acts 2:38: And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

This is circular logic
You are trying to proof that the Bible is true by bringing statements from the bible asserting it is true!

(May 11, 2013 at 5:03 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote:

(May 8, 2013 at 5:01 am)Aractus Wrote: I am still waiting for you to respond to my last post.

• Acts 11:26: and when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. For a whole year they met with the church and taught a great many people. And in Antioch the disciples were first called Christians.
  
  Acts 26:28: And Agrippa said to Paul, “In a short time would you persuade me to be a Christian?”
  
  1 Peter 4:16: Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in that name.
  
  Galatians 2:16: yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
  
  Luke 22:19-20: And he took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to them, saying, “THIS IS MY BODY, WHICH IS GIVEN FOR YOU. DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME.” And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “THIS CUP THAT IS POURED OUT FOR YOU IS THE NEW COVENANT IN MY BLOOD.
  
  John 14:6-7: Jesus said to him, “I AM THE WAY, AND THE TRUTH, AND THE LIFE. NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME. IF YOU HAD KNOWN ME, YOU WOULD HAVE KNOWN MY FATHER ALSO. FROM NOW ON YOU DO KNOW HIM AND HAVE SEEN HIM.”
  
  Acts 2:38: And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

This is circular logic
You are trying to proof that the Bible is true by bringing statements from the bible asserting it is true!

Umm you are doing the same thing for the Quran and every Islamic Religious text.

(May 11, 2013 at 5:06 am)Dragonetti Wrote: Umm you are doing the same thing for the Quran and every Islamic Religious text.

Remember, you're speaking to a robot.

(May 11, 2013 at 5:03 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: This is circular logic
You are trying to proof that the Bible is true by bringing statements from the bible asserting it is true!

Try again:

(May 8, 2013 at 5:01 am)Aractus Wrote:

(May 8, 2013 at 4:35 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: You need to understand the correct Islamic view about the Bible and Christianity!

There is no religion called Christianity, Jesus was a Jewish prophet who came to guide the Jews back to Judaism (He said that in the current Bible)

The Current Bible was altered by many people throw history, so it cannot be trusted, it has some truth but we don't know which!

• Acts 11:26: and when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. For a whole year they met with the church and taught a great many people. And in Antioch the disciples were first called Christians.
  
  Acts 26:28: And Agrippa said to Paul, “In a short time would you persuade me to be a Christian?”
  
  1 Peter 4:16: Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in that name.

Bibles and like any other religious Scripture msg is - less consumption and more serving for better life in next reincarnation - has more or less selfishness.
Unselfish giving is level of sainity that can be archived tru long practice. Unselfishness - love - sainity - miracle. Msg is simple and its based on reincarnation.

Quote:Much of it has been corroborated by outside sources,

Actually, astonishingly little of it has been confirmed by outside sources.

In that, your bible is much like Star Wars.

(May 8, 2013 at 4:41 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: I'm asking you for a proof that any statement in the Bible is true or false (i.e. from God)

It is not about translation at all!

Have you tried applying this sort of inquiry to the Koran? I think you'll find the words in it are also all from man and no proof of any god. All these holy books are alike in that way.

(May 11, 2013 at 12:40 pm)whateverist Wrote:

(May 8, 2013 at 4:41 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: I'm asking you for a proof that any statement in the Bible is true or false (i.e. from God)

It is not about translation at all!

Have you tried applying this sort of inquiry to the Koran? I think you'll find the words in it are also all from man and no proof of any god. All these holy books are alike in that way.

Quran is different!


First, we have at least 3 copies of the first original 6 copies made by Othman about 20 years after the prophet died.
They were collected from people who memorized the Quran by heart and some wrote it on stones, leather, etc.
So we are sure that we have the original Quran brought by Mohamed

To prove that is from God
You will not find a single (clear) Error or mistake
There is no multiple version of Quran to compare
You will not find a single scientific error
there is no contradiction in it

Also you will find
Many future predictions
Many scientific facts that was not known at that time
Numeric and textual patterns that is impossible to be constructed in any book