(June 5, 2013 at 9:00 pm)Walking Void Wrote: All religions are cults, just "successful". Maybe You would prefer to call them factions?

When Christianity was just a few tens of followers, of course they were discriminated against... funky Hipsters and all...

Variation on an old joke I heard:

One person with delusional ideas, an asylum inmate
Two people with delusional ideas, a cult
Three people with delusional ideas, a respected religion!

(June 5, 2013 at 7:57 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: I agree with Violet, there's no way around talking about the same things with different people. At the same time though its not unreasonable for a seasoned debator to want to actually get somewhere new with their thoughts. Perhaps there could be an advanced debate forum section? Where both sides review already debated information and move on from there? I know I was certainly very happy and lucky that this forum received my baby atheist ass without being told to do my research--theists and atheists alike. :)

Well said. I think of the never ending stream of new people and the same old things they come out with, just when you think those old chestnuts have been finally put to rest.
But then the new person is blissfully ignorant, and you only make yourself look bad by showing impatience.
I also think flaming can have the more negative effect of entrenching the victim in their views.

(June 6, 2013 at 1:24 am)fr0d0 Wrote: I also think flaming can have the more negative effect of entrenching the victim in their views.

Hmmm. Strange opinion considering it was your intellectual forefathers that burned supposed witches. Now, simply because I disagree with your bullshit, I'm accused of flame throwing.

I was talking about myself Cato. My intellectual forefathers there seen to be less affiliated with my faith than you are, brother.

"A nation's greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members." ~ Mahatma Ghandi

(June 5, 2013 at 7:57 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: I agree with Violet, there's no way around talking about the same things with different people.

Hmm, that's what John V said pages ago...

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(June 5, 2013 at 5:51 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: OK, fine, fine, fine. Let's put this to rest.

I do explicitly not endorse telling anyone to STFU or GTFU, as either poster or moderator. If at any time in the past I wrote anything that was taken as an endorsement of said behavior, I do apologize if anyone got that impression for any reason.

OK.

Quote:My intent in the OP was to create a handy answers list for the convenience of everyone.

Revisionist history. You didn't mention the list until post 50, and that was in reply to luckie.

I'm actually in favour of both positions but not because I'm not sitting on the fence, honest!! For me, the value of having an 'FAQ' style area is to enable 'repetitive' threads not to avoid having them; they allow those who are new to the subject matter to take advantage of existing knowledge/experience, have more informed discussions and consequently be more likely to advance something new. Let's face it, even the most commonly asked question was new to us all at some point and our education would have been poorly served if we'd only been pointed to text books; many of us learn better through discussion than through straight reading.

(June 5, 2013 at 4:16 pm)John V Wrote:

(June 5, 2013 at 3:48 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: I'm glad you brought that up. Witnesses to an argument tend to be better at judging it. Note that DP is not an atheist.

Did you notice the title of the thread? "We've," not "they've." He then uses "we" or "us" four more times in the body of the post. He apparently lumps deist-agnostics with atheists as a group opposed to Christianity then. In fact, he later does group them:

DeistPaladin Wrote:If I ever do put another website together, I may have a page dedicated to this idea so that atheists and other non-cultists can link to to quickly dispense with their debunked-yet-endlessly-recycled-crap they get confronted with.

Quote:Note that DP is not talking about arguments he has won himself.

(June 4, 2013 at 9:51 am)DeistPaladin Wrote: This idea was inspired as I was responding to "Pandas United", the latest Christian to come along and regurgitate the "moral argument". I pointed him to my own older post on this very topic rather than rehash the same counter-arguments all over again.

You really should read the thread before making claims about its contents.

Yes, deists aren't Christians. Very good! Now, what else aren't they?

(June 6, 2013 at 12:02 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Yes, deists aren't Christians. Very good! Now, what else aren't they?

They're not Muslims.

They are part of "atheists and other non-cultists" by DP's definition of cult, though, so what in the world is your point?

(June 6, 2013 at 12:45 pm)John V Wrote:

(June 6, 2013 at 12:02 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Yes, deists aren't Christians. Very good! Now, what else aren't they?

They're not Muslims.

They are part of "atheists and other non-cultists" by DP's definition of cult, though, so what in the world is your point?

You got it. He's not a Muslim. You're ike a razor.