(June 28, 2013 at 7:28 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: That is honest, but only if you grant that every word god supposedly said is equally good and right. If you grant that, then ok. The bible supports slavery, will you say that is good, because god said so, and it's his standards you live by?

you're new and are assuming that i am one to say all slavery is bad all of the time, i am not one how would say this. I say slavery has iit's place and it context, under the conditions in which slavery was condoned I do say slavery was good and a righteous act.

it sets a patern or precedence in which the slaves/servants of God to know and understand the process that is before them that will transform them to sons and daughters.

Quote:Christians would often say this part is a metaphor, this part is the old testament, jesus didn't really mean sell everything you have, on and on and on.

it just depends on the christians you speak with.

Quote:If you can really interpret what god actually commanded, and what he meant as a metaphor and which part of the old testament doesn't apply, It's high time you revamped the bible so the rest of us aren't so confused.

it's simple. if your an OT Jew or are striving to be one then your life and your righteousness is tied to your life and deeds to reflect the whole of the OT, to find your right-ness before God. If you were not born an OT jew then know your righteousness/right-ness can only be found i what is known as the NT.

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(June 28, 2013 at 7:28 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: That is honest, but only if you grant that every word god supposedly said is equally good and right. If you grant that, then ok. The bible supports slavery, will you say that is good, because god said so, and it's his standards you live by?[\quote] you're new and are assuming that i am one to say all slavery is bad all of the time, i am not one how would say this. I say slavery has iit's place and it context, under the conditions in which slavery was condoned I do say slavery was good and a righteous act.

it sets a patern or precedence in which the slaves/servants of God to know and understand the process that is before them that will transform them to sons and daughters.

Quote:Christians would often say this part is a metaphor, this part is the old testament, jesus didn't really mean sell everything you have, on and on and on.

it just depends on the christians you speak with.

Quote:If you can really interpret what god actually commanded, and what he meant as a metaphor and which part of the old testament doesn't apply, It's high time you revamped the bible so the rest of us aren't so confused.

it's simple. if your an OT Jew or are striving to be one then your life and your righteousness is tied to your life and deeds to reflect the whole of the OT, to find your right-ness before God. If you were not born an OT jew then know your righteousness/right-ness can only be found i what is known as the NT.

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(June 28, 2013 at 7:39 pm)catfish Wrote:

(June 27, 2013 at 10:32 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: What about all those burnt offerings in Leviticus which were a sweet smell to God?

Ummm, yeah... Those were a lie according to Jeremiah. "God never commanded, blah blah blah..."...

Jerri spoke to a specific situation.

please fix your quote tags, i did not say slavery is justifiable in any sense and i don't want anyone to think i did because your quote tags aren't done right.

(June 28, 2013 at 7:49 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: please fix your quote tags, i did not say slavery is justifiable in any sense and i don't want anyone to think i did because your quote tags aren't done right.

actually the quote starts with the quote header and ends with [/quote]

(June 28, 2013 at 7:53 pm)Drich Wrote:

(June 28, 2013 at 7:49 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: please fix your quote tags, i did not say slavery is justifiable in any sense and i don't want anyone to think i did because your quote tags aren't done right.

actually the quote starts with the quote header and ends with

yea. fix it. ?

(June 28, 2013 at 7:49 am)Norfolk And Chance Wrote:

(June 27, 2013 at 10:15 pm)Godschild Wrote: I can satisfactorily answer the question to those who want to learn, but to those who are looking to ridicule all the answers in the world would not satisfy you.

Try me.

Tell me what reason there possibly can be that a blood sacrifice would be needed to appease god.

You've proven you would rather ridicule, wanting to learn something from Christians is not part of your diet.

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(June 28, 2013 at 8:19 am)Tonus Wrote:

(June 27, 2013 at 5:53 pm)Godschild Wrote: Post like the four above this one is what derails an OP, people parroting the same ol' tired things, why can't you go to scripture and try to disprove what Christians believe.

I don't know if all Christian denominations agree on the finer points of topics like the ransom sacrifice. As I recall, the reasoning of Jehovah's Witnesses was that when Adam & Eve sinned, humanity lost perfection. Jesus sacrificed a perfect human life so as to have a marker with god; since he had done nothing to deserve death, he was owed a perfect human life now. He offers that marker on behalf of anyone who places faith in him and in that sacrifice.

That explanation makes more sense if you believe (as the JWs do) that god and Jesus are two separate beings and not just different sides of the same being. I am assuming that other Christian denominations would believe something similar to the above but with enough differences to fit in with the idea that Jesus *is* god.

Jesus being God would not be a marker, could not be a marker actually. God the Father loves His Son so much that He gave Him all those that would believe in Christ and what He Did for all mankind. Christ did not die for our lost perfection He died for our continued imperfection ie. sin.

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(June 28, 2013 at 9:15 am)tokutter Wrote:

(June 27, 2013 at 10:15 pm)Godschild Wrote: I can satisfactorily answer the question to those who want to learn, but to those who are looking to ridicule all the answers in the world would not satisfy you.

Why are you on an atheist website???????

To become more knowledgeable of the Bible through what arises from nonbelievers, being seriously challenged by those outside of what I believe gives me new things to consider.

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(June 28, 2013 at 12:39 pm)CleanShavenJesus Wrote: Well, since the crucifixtion of Jesus never happened, I guess it doesn't matter how it supposedly helped the human race.

Your proof of that statement is?

(June 28, 2013 at 6:52 pm)Drich Wrote: The answer is simplicity itself: because God said so.

In other words, there is no reason why? Because that's an answer which explains absolutely nothing.

Godschild Wrote:You've proven you would rather ridicule, wanting to learn something from Christians is not part of your diet.

No Christian can answer this question, it would seem.

Quote:Your proof of that statement is?

That none of you clowns have ever produced the slightest bit of evidence that it did.

Your delusions are not real because you say so, G-C.

Any more than Osiris was cut up by Set. Just ancient mythology.

(June 28, 2013 at 10:43 pm)Godschild Wrote: You've proven you would rather ridicule, wanting to learn something from Christians is not part of your diet.

What about the rest of us? What about us poor blighted fools who are held back from belief by their inability to square this concept with a benevolent god? Why not share your knowledge, if you do have an answer that you think has some pepper to it?

(June 28, 2013 at 6:52 pm)Drich Wrote: Because in the end God is the one who is judging you not Monty python.

But you have to admit that Jesus and this whole scheme of sacrifice and salvation has a Monty Python quality.

JESUS: "Did someone out there bear false witness."
PERSON: "Um, no... no... no... yes. A bit"
JESUS: "I did ask you not to bear false witness, didn't I?"
PERSON: "Sorry Lord."
JESUS: "Now I have to get on the cross and suffer."
*Jesus has some Romans nail him to a cross*
JESUS: "I won't lie to you. This is quite an ouchy. See what you're making me do?"
PERSON: "Sorry, Lord."
JESUS: "Oh dear, someone out there bore false witness again."
ANOTHER PERSON: "Sorry, Lord."
JESUS: "Raise me higher."
CROWD: (singing) "And did those feet, in ancient times..."

(June 28, 2013 at 10:43 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(June 28, 2013 at 12:39 pm)CleanShavenJesus Wrote: Well, since the crucifixtion of Jesus never happened, I guess it doesn't matter how it supposedly helped the human race.

Your proof of that statement is?

Lack of viable historical accounts. What's your proof that it did happen?