(July 6, 2013 at 1:45 pm)Godschild Wrote: I'm afraid they will never learn, I'm not saying they do not understand what we say, I'm saying they will reject truth because it does not suit their self absorbed ways.

The mental fall back of theists. We're not atheists because religion doesn't make sense. We're just unrepentant hedonists.

Oddly enough to your mindset I reject Hedonism. I don't sleep around, I'm faithful to my wife, I adore my kids, I wear my seatbelt, I don't speed, I pay my taxes, I do everything that you do, I just don't believe in silly superstitions.

(July 6, 2013 at 11:45 am)Rahul Wrote:

(July 6, 2013 at 1:16 am)Godschild Wrote: A Roman Catholic and a Southern Baptist agree on scripture, you guys do see that we study scripture and the history of the times, we desire to bring the truth of scripture to others. Pretending and lying only hurts everyone.

I never agreed with Catholics back when I was a Southern Baptist. They worship graven images for crying out loud. And they pray to saints and the Virgin Mary. No self-respecting Southern Baptist would agree with that.

You theists are the ones pretending and lying. Just because you're gullible doesn't make it less of a lie. You're just passing on the lies without being truthful to yourself. That doesn't absolve you from the guilt of what you are doing to people.

I did not say that I agree with everything Catholics believe and they do not agree with everything I believe. Consilius have given you guys the same interpretation of the same passages and we did not consult on it, it came from Gods revelation through scripture, two different denominations yet God revealed a truth to both, God does not choose sides, we are to choose His side or be left out. My self respect is not important it's what God thinks about Consilius and me.

(July 6, 2013 at 2:01 pm)Godschild Wrote: I did not say that I agree with everything Catholics believe and they do not agree with everything I believe. Consilius have given you guys the same interpretation of the same passages and we did not consult on it, it came from Gods revelation through scripture, two different denominations yet God revealed a truth to both, God does not choose sides, we are to choose His side or be left out. My self respect is not important it's what God thinks about Consilius and me.

But, GC, buddy, you're basing all of this on the assumption that god exists.

I think step one of this would be to really invest some time in considering that he might not exist. Do you have any tangible proof besides feelings?

(July 5, 2013 at 9:02 pm)Godschild Wrote: None are completely correct and if any say they are they have deceived themselves. I've never made that claim, you've made it about me, but I've actually have said I know I'm not right about everything.

Esq Wrote:Don't you think that's important, though? I mean, given the stakes you think you're playing for, wouldn't you want to get as close to perfect as possible?

What's important is that each person excepts Christ for who He is and what He did, most of the rest are doctrinal differences that mean nothing about salvation, you do not understand what salvation is this is why you have trouble understanding us. Oh I know you can give the simple answer, however that's only words out of you mouth, not an understanding.

Quote:Yeah, I'm not going to get into a dick measuring contest with you over bible knowledge, mostly because that's not the issue at hand, but also because I don't feel like arguing this point as though it's not the easy to see reality.

You haven't the ability to take me on, just forget it. It was the issue at hand until you decided it wasn't.

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I go through the scriptures if I'm going to challenge a denominational difference, which I rarely do anymore, most are not important enough to fret over. If I do challenge I will find a verse that makes such a positive statement for or against and go from there to understand those verses that are less clear on that subject. But like I say as long as the denomination goes by scripture on salvation I pretty much do not worry about the rest. I differ greatly on hell and lost salvation as far as the Southern Baptist are concerned, am I correct or are they, maybe.

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Esq Wrote:Not important? This is the word of god we're talking about!

I have no idea what this is in response to.

Esq Wrote:Besides that, you talk like there's only one form of salvation, and that's not entirely true. The preconditions tend to change depending on who you talk to; I've spoken to some who think I'll get into heaven based on the strength of my works and character, and others who think I'm hellbound regardless because of my atheism. I've spoken to christians who feel my being bisexual won't earn me a place in hell- and who belong to congregations accepting of LGBT members- and I know of those who think even the most devout of gay christians will go to hell. The salvation doctrine is one of the trickiest parts, because it's one of the few that actually have real world consequences should it be true, yet still there's no consistent message.

According to the scriptures it's true, now I know you do not like to open up the book, but this time I would like to see you prove there are more ways than one into salvation, sorry but scripture is your only option on this one. We are discussing my God here so let's not get side tracked by other religions.

Esq Wrote:You seem very blase about this, which is pretty standard for the religious I've found, but what if you die and you find, say, accepting evolution is a prerequisite for heaven? Wouldn't you want to have the best possible justification for your beliefs, preferably with evidence, before you do kick the bucket?

Why do you bring up such ridiculous things, you bring these things into a conversation to side track us from the relevant so you can avoid scripture, why don't you study the Bible and we could avoid all this ridiculous tripe.

GC Wrote:

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God will reveal in a very clear manner generally through His word what I've asked for, not always though. Sometimes it takes many weeks of study to see the answers, sometimes I get an immediate answer. Like last night I was comparing recorded ancient Assyrian history, to Biblical verses and stories to see how things would match up. I never read or study scripture without asking for God's guidance and revelation. I know when my questions about scripture are answered when many scriptures line up and show truth. Really it's hard to explain how I know when things are revealed as truth, I guess you would need to be in my shoes.

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Esq Wrote:Personal experience isn't the greatest measure of a concept's truthfulness, though; after all, you aren't the only one having it. People have personal experiences with other gods all the time. Generally, we confirm the reality of our personal experiences through independent confirmation, else it's kind of hard to differentiate from something just in your head.

Personal experience is everything to God, without it we could not come into salvation through grace, then it continues, why would I not want a relationship with my Friend.

GC Wrote:I've had the same manner of things done to me yet you guys see no problem with that.
I would never want anyone to suffer hell, if I did not care I would not try and show people God's truth, but when you or anyone else belittles me I'm going to get your attention, so when you irritate me expect at some time to hear from me, it's not always the Christian response, but then I'm human too.

Esq Wrote:What if it turns out threatening people with hell is an unforgiveable sin that just didn't make it into the bible? You'd go to hell!

Once again you through out rubbish that means nothing, besides I can't threaten you with hell, hell is your choice. If it was that important then it would be in scripture, God would have made sure of it. Christ spoke of avoiding hell far more than He spoke of heaven, since He knows how both are it seems important that we listen.

(July 6, 2013 at 2:40 pm)Godschild Wrote: Once again you through out rubbish that means nothing, besides I can't threaten you with hell, hell is your choice. If it was that important then it would be in scripture, God would have made sure of it. Christ spoke of avoiding hell far more than He spoke of heaven, since He knows how both are it seems important that we listen.

Who invented everything, including hell, and also including the fact that those who are not followers of your god will go there?

God set all this up independently, right? Or did something more powerful than your all powerful god force him to make those decisions?

(July 6, 2013 at 2:40 pm)Godschild Wrote: Once again you through out rubbish that means nothing, besides I can't threaten you with hell, hell is your choice. If it was that important then it would be in scripture, God would have made sure of it. Christ spoke of avoiding hell far more than He spoke of heaven, since He knows how both are it seems important that we listen.

Hell is not a choice, please watch these videos, they describe it quite well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05_xqStAd_M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27PXz0uIc_4

(July 6, 2013 at 2:44 pm)Rahul Wrote:

(July 6, 2013 at 2:40 pm)Godschild Wrote: Once again you through out rubbish that means nothing, besides I can't threaten you with hell, hell is your choice. If it was that important then it would be in scripture, God would have made sure of it. Christ spoke of avoiding hell far more than He spoke of heaven, since He knows how both are it seems important that we listen.

Who invented everything, including hell, and also including the fact that those who are not followers of your god will go there?

God set all this up independently, right? Or did something more powerful than your all powerful god force him to make those decisions?

Oh come on, Rahul, think! When you pick up a watch and see how carefully put together it all is you don't imagine a thing like that just pops into existence on its own, do you? In the same way something as wondrous as a god must also have its creator, which simultaneously grounds his actions as good.

(July 6, 2013 at 2:05 pm)Rahul Wrote:

(July 6, 2013 at 2:01 pm)Godschild Wrote: I did not say that I agree with everything Catholics believe and they do not agree with everything I believe. Consilius have given you guys the same interpretation of the same passages and we did not consult on it, it came from Gods revelation through scripture, two different denominations yet God revealed a truth to both, God does not choose sides, we are to choose His side or be left out. My self respect is not important it's what God thinks about Consilius and me.

But, GC, buddy, you're basing all of this on the assumption that god exists.

I think step one of this would be to really invest some time in considering that he might not exist. Do you have any tangible proof besides feelings?

I know God is real and I know He is who He says He is, I have no doubts about this, it is a sure thing. To look for an alternative would be lying to myself and that my friend would make me a liar. I have plenty of tangible proof, you want think it is because you did not experience it I did. I not one to try and fool myself, just isn't how I'm built.

(July 6, 2013 at 2:59 pm)Godschild Wrote: I know God is real and I know He is who He says He is, I have no doubts about this, it is a sure thing. To look for an alternative would be lying to myself and that my friend would make me a liar. I have plenty of tangible proof, you want think it is because you did not experience it I did. I not one to try and fool myself, just isn't how I'm built.

I have no doubts that I am Batman. Prove me wrong.

(July 6, 2013 at 2:59 pm)Godschild Wrote: I know God is real and I know He is who He says He is, I have no doubts about this, it is a sure thing.

The mind is capable of fooling one of many things.