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What is "FAITH"
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There can't be universe "before", because the universe itself started time. It started time upon the instant it began to exist. There was nothing before the universe, because there IS no "before the universe".
  (July 15, 2013 at 5:16 am)Consilius Wrote: There can't be universe "before", because the universe itself started time. It started time upon the instant it began to exist. There was nothing before the universe, because there IS no "before the universe". Did you read your own post? There is no "before the universe" - is correct. There is no universe "before" - is incorrect. Universe did not "start" time because time, unlike a clocl, cannot be "started". Therefore, neither universe nor time "began" to exist.  
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In dimension theory time constraints don't exist. Time doesn't need to start as it can loop/ fold.
Add in first cause/ singularity and you have a means of achieving it. (July 15, 2013 at 5:36 am)genkaus Wrote:But time is the expansion of the universe.(July 15, 2013 at 5:16 am)Consilius Wrote: There can't be universe "before", because the universe itself started time. It started time upon the instant it began to exist. There was nothing before the universe, because there IS no "before the universe". 
You can't label one thing another thing just because it sounds cool to you.
Santa is joy. God is good. Sylvester Stalone is strength. Jesus is eternal life. Chuck Norris is Jesus. The expansion of the universe is time. But anyway, for your information, time is not something moving: it is simply the idea that we experience and see things as they move. We have decided to measure this phenomenon. If we could go back in time to before the Big Bang, we would probably STILL experience time. Our bodies are such that we can observe time's passage, so I don't see why that same principle wouldn't apply. RE: What is "FAITH"
July 15, 2013 at 8:34 am
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(July 15, 2013 at 8:15 am)BadWriterSparty Wrote: If we could go back in time to before the Big Bang, we would probably STILL experience time. Our bodies are such that we can observe time's passage, so I don't see why that same principle wouldn't apply.I'd say that such an experience would be smuggled in by the "if" and "before". If we could go back in time to before the big bang (which is to say, if there was a before, and there where a way to experience all that is dependent upon said event independent of the status of said event) then- it wouldn't be surprising if we concluded that we would experience something the same as we do now, as it was nested in the premise. Our bodies observe times passage because such a thing is there to observe. The "principle" wouldn't apply if that "something" was not present. Call it the arrow of time, entropy, what have you.
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July 15, 2013 at 9:15 am
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(July 15, 2013 at 7:51 am)Consilius Wrote: But time is the expansion of the universe. The expansion of the universe can be measured using time as one of the relevant factors, but these two are not the same. In fact, what Hubble discovered is that the distance (d) of a galaxy is directly proportional to its velocity (v), d = Hv, where H is called the Hubble constant - that is, the farther the galaxy, the faster it's moving away from us. |
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