(July 31, 2013 at 12:22 pm)The Germans are coming Wrote:

(July 31, 2013 at 12:09 pm)ronedee Wrote: Humans do it all the time! Usually w/o the fathers consent. On demand too....No felony required!

53 Million burned since 1973.

Do you understand the meaning of the word "consent"????

If you do, then show how all these abortions were done without the mothers consent!

duncuff!

(July 31, 2013 at 12:56 pm)ronedee Wrote: duncuff!

Is that even English?!

Anyway, it isn`t the definition of the word "consent".

Seems like you have a problem with the definition of words, since you alo didn`t manage to correctly define the word "Agnostic" and the word "Atheist".

Maybe you like to simply give words the definitions that you want them to have or your own purposes. But a word of warning: If you continue doing that, the savage, psychotic dictonary monster will one day jump out of your closet, skin you alive with a cheese crater - then gut you, cut your legst off, boil the guts in hot water, flavor it with the skin shreds and eat them using your legs like chinese chop sticks whilest you have to watch.

You also seem to be incapable of participating in a debate and think that debating someone is to simply scream a bunch of words that just came to your mind into a forum. I am the debating monster and unlike the dictonary monster, if you continue doing that I wont tell you where I will hide and wait for you.

(July 31, 2013 at 12:22 pm)The Germans are coming Wrote:

(July 31, 2013 at 12:09 pm)ronedee Wrote: Humans do it all the time! Usually w/o the fathers consent. On demand too....No felony required!

53 Million burned since 1973.

Do you understand the meaning of the word "consent"????

If you do, then show how all these abortions were done without the mothers consent!

I don't know about those, but they do it in China.

Doubting Thomas wrote:
Prayer is nothing but mental masturbation.
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I agree, with this proviso: It's mental masturbation often performed by folks with an unfortunate and tasteless exhibitionistic streak.

(July 31, 2013 at 12:09 pm)ronedee Wrote: 53 Million burned since 1973.

Yes, what an atrocity. Just thinking about how many child raping opportunities this must have denied the catholic clergy is enough to make every pious catholic brim with self-righteous indignation.

It's actually quite scary when people say they can commune with some sort of god through their prayers. Their own mind convincing them that someone else is talking and telling them to do things.

Presumably that's evidence of a direct, physical interaction in our world (if true, which is a big 'if'), so naturally there must be some sort of evidence.

I don't hope to dream that it will ever be forthcoming though.

(July 31, 2013 at 1:12 pm)Chuck Wrote:

(July 31, 2013 at 12:09 pm)ronedee Wrote: 53 Million burned since 1973.

Yes, what an atrocity. Just thinking about how many child raping opportunities this must have denied the catholic clergy is enough to make every pious catholic brim with self-righteous indignation.

Complaining about your new members again?

The ranks of the godless include those clergy. You're gaining in numbers! Enjoy!

(July 31, 2013 at 11:57 am)Tonus Wrote: Why would I need to ask god to provide me with what he wants for me?

Because not everyone wants what God wants for them.

Quote:What you are describing is that god wants something for me, knows what it is, and knows it will be beneficial for me. But he won't give it to me unless I ask?

Yes. Why? because the primary ingredient in what God wants for you contains a large dose of humility. Not the kind that is forced onto people, but the kind that willing A/S/K for it.

Quote:2,000 years of trying and there is still no interpretation that does that, as far as I can tell.

Because God did not give an absolute or difinitive version of Christianity. It is all based on the indivisual and what he can comperhend. Because we are all different our expressions of faith will look different.

Quote: Instead, there seem to be even more denominations of Christianity. I think this speaks poorly of the Bible, that it is beyond the scope of its audience to make proper sense of it.

The same God that established Christianity established Judaism. Judaism is a religion with absolute absolutes, and a very strict structure with no room for interpertation. So why wasn't christianity constructed the same way? Look at how Jesus railed against the Jewish leadership of the day, how he pointed out over and over that thier worship was extreamly mechanical and did not include any effort in up holding the spirit of the law.

Christianity is Freedom from the Law as a means of righteousness. Christ Gave us one change that is to love the Lord our God with alll of our being and to love our neighbor as our self. again because we are all different our worship/the way we worship will be different.

Hence the reason for so many different expressions of Christianity. Now no one man or group of men has the power to dictate what is and is not worship. We simply do the absolute best that we can.

Quote:This also strikes me as a flaw in the book, that it is so easy to get the wrong understanding by reading just parts of it.

If Christ is at the center of your worship, no one's worship is right nor is it wrong. For the same grace that attones for our sin when we willfully disobey God's expressed will, attones that much more when you are doing your 110% best and 'get it wrong.' We all get it wrong at some point in our journey.

Quote: Maybe I'm just picky, but I think a guide book from a supreme and wondrous creator should be so amazing that reading even just parts of it would knock our socks off, so that we'd want to read all of it over and over and learn the secrets of the universe (or whatever it is that the supreme creator wants it to tell us).

Which is why I am in absolute awe over it. Because it is all of that and a box of thin mints.

We see it as flawed from the perspective of every rule based religion on the planet, but again because Biblical Christianity is not rule based, then it should not be a list of rules.

The bulk of the NT draws a picture of what or how a believer lives, and why he lives that way.

Quote:But that's just more of what I was talking about. You have created a god that is supposed to be extremely difficult to "find." So that anyone who doesn't find him simply didn't know how to look, or wasn't persistent enough, or whatever other reasons can be used to explain why someone who made a sincere effort to find god didn't find him.

It takes an hour of honest question asking to find the direction you need to find God. Some a little more some a little less. We (most of us) have been given between 70 and 90 years to take an hour and honestly look.. Whether you do or not is between you and God.

Quote:I'm just not impressed by a god that seems determined to lead people astray for reasons that I can't fathom. He seems to be toying with us out of sheer spite.

Your not being lead anywhere. You have been given an alotment of time and this whole planet to wander and do as you will. If you A/S/K you will find God as it has been promised if you do not, then again your free to live this life anyway you choose.

(July 31, 2013 at 2:49 pm)ronedee Wrote:

(July 31, 2013 at 1:12 pm)Chuck Wrote: Yes, what an atrocity. Just thinking about how many child raping opportunities this must have denied the catholic clergy is enough to make every pious catholic brim with self-righteous indignation.

Complaining about your new members again?

The ranks of the godless include those clergy. You're gaining in numbers! Enjoy!

So 2 of your recent popes were godless?

(July 31, 2013 at 3:28 pm)Drich Wrote:

(July 31, 2013 at 11:57 am)Tonus Wrote: Why would I need to ask god to provide me with what he wants for me?

Because not everyone wants what God wants for them.

The Bible is too much Babble to know what God wants for anyone. Prayer is a waste just because of this simple fact.

(July 31, 2013 at 3:28 pm)Drich Wrote:

Quote:What you are describing is that god wants something for me, knows what it is, and knows it will be beneficial for me. But he won't give it to me unless I ask?

Yes. Why? because the primary ingredient in what God wants for you contains a large dose of humility. Not the kind that is forced onto people, but the kind that willing A/S/K for it.

Looks like all those humble folk out in India and China are going to Hell because they didn't know they were supposed to ask something of their creator. Your God is a Dick. If he knew what was best for them he'd figure out a way to send them the message. If he does, then that means it wasn't by prayer, which renders prayer, once again, ineffectual and unnecessary in this instance.

(July 31, 2013 at 3:28 pm)Drich Wrote: ...God did not give an absolute or difinitive version of Christianity.

Then you have no way of knowing whether or not you're right. You also, therefore, have no reason to preach to anyone if you aren't even sure your story is right.

(July 31, 2013 at 3:28 pm)Drich Wrote: So why wasn't christianity constructed the same way [as Judaism]? Look at how Jesus railed against the Jewish leadership of the day, how he pointed out over and over that thier worship was extreamly mechanical and did not include any effort in up holding the spirit of the law.

Let's see (flips through the NT). Okay, so in this story book, I see that a few men wrote about a man named Jesus, and that a few elements from the story was his disdain for the Pharisees and the Sadducees. However, this character also had very clear objectives, laws, and teachings. He never said anything such as "Go forth and...er...kinda follow what I said. Ya dig?" He had very detailed methods on how his disciples would preach his words, he had very clear morals that were outlined, such as how the Law of Moses would be changed, and his doctrines were even very clearly defined, such as how a person should enter into Heaven and how they should pray. If you are a Christian, Drich, then you're a bad one, and you are probably going to Jesus' Hell, unless he finds a way to preach the truth to you in the Spirit Prison.

(July 31, 2013 at 3:28 pm)Drich Wrote: If Christ is at the center of your worship, no one's worship is right nor is it wrong.

Then, by your admission, Mormons, Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses, 7th Day Adventists, Moonies, and many more strange forms of your Christianity are going to your version of Heaven since they hold Christ as the central figure of their worship. Am I right? No? What the fuck, Drich?

(July 31, 2013 at 3:28 pm)Drich Wrote:

Quote: Maybe I'm just picky, but I think a guide book from a supreme and wondrous creator should be so amazing that reading even just parts of it would knock our socks off, so that we'd want to read all of it over and over and learn the secrets of the universe (or whatever it is that the supreme creator wants it to tell us).

Which is why I am in absolute awe over it. Because it is all of that and a box of thin mints.

So then why aren't you in awe over the Book of Mormon or Al-Quran? The Baghavad Gita is pretty amazing, and so is the Epic of Gilgamesh. Greek Mythology is so rich in details and the interactions between Gods and men are more than any mortal could hope for!

Yes, it was pretty Awe-Inspiring when Jesus rubbed spit and clay on that Blind man's eyes to make him see again. My stomach did flips of joy...nope, just nausea, actually.

(July 31, 2013 at 3:28 pm)Drich Wrote: Biblical Christianity is not rule based...

Ahem...You are a bad Christian!!!!

(July 31, 2013 at 3:28 pm)Drich Wrote: It takes an hour of honest question asking to find the direction you need to find God. Some a little more some a little less. We (most of us) have been given between 70 and 90 years to take an hour and honestly look.. Whether you do or not is between you and God.

After about 3 hours of really trying, I figured it was all actually just between me and nothing. How interesting that you think people who legitimately try to seek answers from God are just not trying hard enough when they come back empty-handed. You heard voices in your head and they didn't, and you look down on them? I think there's something very wrong with this picture. The question is not, "How hard did you try?" The real question (and it should be posed to you) is "Why aren't you in a straight jacket, ya loon?"