"If and when that stuff happens i simply let it go. Why? because if the members of this board have it in their mind there is a witch amongest them, then they will not rest till they find it and do their best to burn said witch. Once the rioters have their pound of flesh, seldom do they care about the truth I can then speak after thier deed is done."

Wow - mixed a few metaphors there didn't we.

I think you'll find it wasn't atheists that burned witches - it was Christians much like yourself.
I think you'll find it wasn't atheists that demanded a pound of flesh but a Jew - who was forced to convert to Christianity at the end of the play (what a giant leap forwards for him).

All of which means - no deed was done. You are very strong on assigning malicious intent on those that disagree with you but not on your God and his actions.

Shall we compare the behaviour of your god to forum members?

Right everybody:

Hands up who flooded the planet?
Who turned someone's wife into salt? Come on - own up - its for your own good.
Who created evil? - Don't think I'm staying late to clean that mess up...

Drich, perhaps - just perhaps - if you got your arse out of your hands, stopped seeing 'witch hunts' where none exist, and actually started expressing yourself clearly, with all the deference you would expect others to show you, then maybe people wouldn't react to you the way they do.

Just take a look in some of the other threads talking about Star Wars or whatever, in which you unclench your sphincter and actually engage with the community as a normal person. See, you can do it. That's the Drich I would happily spend an evening with at the pub, not the arsehole you present here.

(October 1, 2013 at 2:06 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Drich, perhaps - just perhaps - if you got your arse out of your hands, stopped seeing 'witch hunts' where none exist, and actually started expressing yourself clearly, with all the deference you would expect others to show you, then maybe people wouldn't react to you the way they do.

Maybe you don't understand the term.
Merrium-Webster:
witch hunt, noun : the act of unfairly looking for and punishing people who are accused of having opinions that are believed to be dangerous or evil

Now take the defination of witch hunt and apply it to what was/is being said in the 'Aids list' thread.
http://atheistforums.org/thread-21128.html

now explain how this is not following the EXACT meaning of the term provided by merrium Webster.

Quote:Just take a look in some of the other threads talking about Star Wars or whatever, in which you unclench your sphincter and actually engage with the community as a normal person. See, you can do it. That's the Drich I would happily spend an evening with at the pub, not the arsehole you present here.

I'm the same asshole no matter what I am taking about. (just ask my wife) Same passion, same conviction, Same attention to detail, the only difference? Your not as vested in the out come of a Star _______ (war, trek, Gate, etc.) Discussion as you are in the topics concerning Christianity. So what if i am right about Luke being the choosen one, and Truly bring balance to the Force. It may even be fun to hear a different perspective, or to have someone connect the same dots a different way, to provide a completely different picture than what you are use to seeing. Why? It does not change anything in your life (this one or the next.)

Now if and when I apply my gift to christianity and the things about God did not make sense when view through the lens of your orginal version of Christianity, (leading to your eventual dismissal of it) now do make sense when I reconnect the same dots in a different way, then the pressure of 'conviction' is applied. Not by me, because again I honestly do not care what you choose for yourselves, (I respect the Choice God gave you to make in this life, more so than what you choose for yourself, as does He)
so i do and always have taken extra care in wording what I say to make you not feel bad for the choice you make concerning Christ. Never the less some sense of persecution is always felt when one of you ultimatly responds, and the messenger is the easiest to blame. especially when the message itself is difficult to argue.

This results in alot of hurt feelings and resentment= in no forum friends for Drich. Which is something I am more than willing to give up, even if just one of you d-bags at the end of my time here gets enough out of all of this to change his/her eternal fate. Even if none of you do I still respect the Choice you were given.

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(October 1, 2013 at 1:54 pm)max-greece Wrote: I think you'll find it wasn't atheists that burned witches - it was Christians much like yourself.

Everyone burned witches. Indians burned anyone suspected of being a witch as well. Christians get hammered for it because of the irony in it. which is what I am establishing here.

Quote:I think you'll find it wasn't atheists that demanded a pound of flesh but a Jew - who was forced to convert to Christianity at the end of the play (what a giant leap forwards for him).

Again establishing the irony of the situation here. If atheist are so far above and beyond the righteousness of various generations of 'goat hearders' then why are they/you doing these very same things?

Quote:All of which means - no deed was done. You are very strong on assigning malicious intent on those that disagree with you but not on your God and his actions.

Do you wonder why that is, or do you persume to know?

(October 1, 2013 at 2:44 pm)Drich Wrote: Now take the defination of witch hunt and apply it to what was/is being said in the 'Aids list' thread.
http://atheistforums.org/thread-21128.html

Now take a good and careful look at what happened to that thread. It may interest you to learn that I was part of of the discussion that led to its being locked. This despite the fact that my name was included in that little list. Put it another way: look at how we godless heathens (for the most part) reacted when one member did try to start a thread attacking you.

Frankly I'm offended that you're so quick to lump me together with people that you consider would treat you like that, whether or not they felt you deserved it, when I was one of those who actively defended you. For fuck's sake.

I'll remember to think twice next time.

"Everyone burned witches. Indians burned anyone suspected of being a witch as well. Christians get hammered for it because of the irony in it. which is what I am establishing here."

Everyone except atheists who wouldn't believe there was such a thing as a witch. Just FWIW Red Indians or Sub-continent Indians? Oh - and there was no real irony in Christians burning witches - it was something they did over about a 300 year period across Europe. Christians get hammered for it quite rightly.

"If atheist are so far above and beyond the righteousness of various generations of 'goat hearders' then why are they/you doing these very same things?"

I thought we'd covered this one. They're not. You're delusional.

"Do you wonder why that is, or do you persume to know?"

You're delusional.

Incidentally, most of those suspected of being witches were let off, at least over here. The ones who were put to death were hanged, not burned. A grand total of four women, I believe. Four too many but still.

(October 1, 2013 at 2:56 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Now take a good and careful look at what happened to that thread. It may interest you to learn that I was part of of the discussion that led to its being locked. This despite the fact that my name was included in that little list. Put it another way: look at how we godless heathens (for the most part) reacted when one member did try to start a thread attacking you.

Look I truly appreciate all that the mods do to make this as fair as a place as any. That is why I have and plan to continue to support you all any way I can...

That said it does not change the fact that whether you moderate or not there are those who look to persecute. That is par for the course when discussing things like religion or politics. That is why I simply let it go most of the time. what I do not abid however is the claim that it never happens and it all in my head. The fact that you are having to lock a thread because of it prooves it.

Again I know not everyone is apart of stuff like that but it does happen, and I will call it from time t time when I see it. (Generally when pointing out hyprocrisy, or in this case as proof that I am not unfairly claiming persecution that does not exist.)

Quote:Frankly I'm offended that you're so quick to lump me together with people that you consider would treat you like that, whether or not they felt you deserved it, when I was one of those who actively defended you. For fuck's sake.

I am not lumping you with anyone. Again I was just point out a situation you claimed that did not exist. to be honest I did not read the whole thread. I read the first page and just spot read comments at random. All that I read was different ways of saying the same thing. even then I mentioned no names, just the fact that it was indeed happening. (in what I deemed off limits to myself, so as you all still have a place to discuss atheist views, without my personal input to contend with[/quote].)

Quote:I'll remember to think twice next time.

Thinking is never a bad thing if one is honest and true when he goes about that task..

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(October 1, 2013 at 3:39 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Incidentally, most of those suspected of being witches were let off, at least over here. The ones who were put to death were hanged, not burned. A grand total of four women, I believe. Four too many but still.

according to the last rob zombie movie ( a sad knock off of rosemary's baby) in Salem there were 14 women burned at the stake in the salem witch trials.

Then in another story/Documentry i heard this was a common practice by native americans to burn traditors and witches/those who align themselves with evil spirits.

I've not seen that Rob Zombie thing and probably won't now you've warned me - not after what he did to Hallowe'en. Thing is though I was referring to England, not Salem. Regardless, and assuming a movie counts as factual research, it's all a far cry from the massive witch hunts of popular legend.

Including this forum, incidentally, since the thread you mention no longer exists in any readily-accessible form.

(October 1, 2013 at 3:27 pm)max-greece Wrote: Everyone except atheists who wouldn't believe there was such a thing as a witch. Just FWIW Red Indians or Sub-continent Indians? Oh - and there was no real irony in Christians burning witches - it was something they did over about a 300 year period across Europe. Christians get hammered for it quite rightly.

"If atheist are so far above and beyond the righteousness of various generations of 'goat hearders' then why are they/you doing these very same things?"

I thought we'd covered this one. They're not. You're delusional.

"Do you wonder why that is, or do you persume to know?"

You're delusional.

And you are ill informed.

Atheism repersented a very small part of the communities found in Major cities, and very rarly found in the townships and in the back woods where witches were burned.

Witch burnings were held and excuted by popular demand/fear from the majority of a community. If Atheist lived in these communities they were not voical about their beliefs lest they too were burned.

The atheist then were as the German citizens who lived in death camp towns, but did nothing to stop the injustice, therefore making them guilt by assoceiation.

Hmm... so the religious were slaughtering these women in the most horrific way imaginable, while the non-religious were afraid to speak out lest they too were slaughtered?

Who are the good guys, again?