(October 22, 2013 at 4:37 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote:

(October 22, 2013 at 3:07 pm)Esquilax Wrote: First of all, if you divide something in two, you don't have two of the original thing, you have two halves of that thing, so epic math fail, there.

We essentially have two brains connected together, like you said the connection can be cut for interesting results.

Doesn't it hurt to have to bend that much?

(October 22, 2013 at 4:37 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: We essentially have two brains connected together, like you said the connection can be cut for interesting results.

No no, we have to halves of a whole brain: it's not a fun experience, losing that connection. The connective tissue is a part of the brain in its own right; it's only a link in the sense that it's physically located in the bridge between the two hemispheres. You know, like how the pillars that support a bridge are a part of the bridge too?

Quote:It's not possible for the same person to have different states of mind?

Do you think it's possible for one person to simultaneously believe in god, and not believe in god? And for discrete sections of the brain to project different beliefs, mutually exclusive beliefs, at the same time?

Quote:People who have a split brain essentially have/operate two different brains each with their own individual character traits. Apparently in this case only one of these brains/hemispheres has an awareness of God which is interesting.

Wow, that is... absolutely not what's going on here. This isn't cellular division, Sword. If I break a car in half, I don't have two cars, I have two halves of one car. And if consciousness wasn't a part of the brain, why would it do that at all?

In practice we have two brains (it's like a dual processor) and they are connected together as depicted here.



It's possible for someone to function perfectly well with only one, the plasticity of the remain hemisphere will compensate and take over the missing hemispheres functionality. Though as an adult you lose that plasticity and become hardwired.





I would see the brain as a filter for consciousness which fits well enough with what we physically observe. If someone has two separate brains it's possible for each brain to come to it's own differing opinions on say the subject of Gods existence. Depending on which brain you ask you may well get a different answer.

(October 22, 2013 at 6:31 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: In practice we have two brains (it's like a dual processor) and they are connected together as depicted here.



It's possible for someone to function perfectly well with only one, the plasticity of the remain hemisphere will compensate and take over the missing hemispheres functionality. Though as an adult you lose that plasticity and become hardwired.





I would see the brain as a filter for consciousness which fits well enough with what we physically observe. If someone has two separate brains it's possible for each brain to come to it's own differing opinions on say the subject of Gods existence. Depending on which brain you ask you may well get a different answer.

Hey sword did you see that? That was the point of this conversation flying right over your head!

(October 22, 2013 at 6:56 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Hey sword did you see that? That was the point of this conversation flying right over your head!

The point doesn't apply to me as I'm not saying atheists are going to hell. There is a risk of it for anyone who isn't accepting God grace through Christ.

(October 23, 2013 at 9:06 am)Sword of Christ Wrote:

(October 22, 2013 at 6:56 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Hey sword did you see that? That was the point of this conversation flying right over your head!

The point doesn't apply to me as I'm not saying atheists are going to hell. There is a risk of it for anyone who isn't accepting God grace through Christ.

Hey Lemon, we could probably catch that point, if we started walking. Sword obviously doesn't want it.

If someone has brain damage or a mental illness or whatever that prevents them from fully accepting Gods grace and they seriously would need it they may get a chance to repent after they're dead. Death doesn't have to be the cut-off point for acceptance that isn't written anywhere.

(October 23, 2013 at 9:16 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: If someone has brain damage or a mental illness or whatever that prevents them from fully accepting Gods grace and they seriously would need it they may get a chance to repent after they're dead. Death doesn't have to be the cut-off point for acceptance that isn't written anywhere.

There it is...
The assumption that there is a god and heaven and hell and all the shenanigans...
And then, things happen.

We don't take that route.
Assume only the physical observable and testable exists... and then... if something else comes along, we'll look into it.
Nothing else has come along, yet...
Some people make claims about metaphysical phenomena... none pans out...

Claims about what happens after death are nothing more than wishful thinking. Keep them to yourself, please. No one cares.

(October 22, 2013 at 9:47 am)StuW Wrote: There's these brilliant things called books, most people get their knowledge from them. Consciousness is a byproduct of biological processes within the brain.

What a nonsense!!!
I have seen a 7 year old boy that by listening the noise from the engine could tell what was wrong with the car.
Oh, and what about some famous musician that were giving concert at a very young age.
Did they have enough time to learn from books or in any other way?
Of course not. They just carry the experiences made in previous lives.

(October 22, 2013 at 9:14 am)enrico Wrote: Who build it up?
Oh, somebody else build it up for us?
How ridiculous you are!!!
Since when we get something for free?

Quote:Built what up?

Build the consciousness that you have.

Quote:http://www.free-stuff.co.uk/

You get a lolly for free but then you will have to surrender all your details which will cause problems later on in your life.
So that is not free at all.

Quote:What makes you think consciousness is "something a lot higher"

Hoping that one day in this life you will take few second to have a look at yourself so you will start awakening a bit as far as consciousness is concern.
The glands that control the matter and the liquid are located on the lower part of the human body but those controlling the mind and the consciousness are located on the top part of the body.
From here you can understand what is more or less important and more or less higher.

(October 22, 2013 at 9:14 am)enrico Wrote: Where is the evidence that we are finite?

Quote:Where is the evidence that we are not?

Halt
Stop here.
Before we go any further you and the guy who said that we are finite have to bring the evidence that we are finite.
When somebody say that God exist atheist say to bring evidence or shut up.
I say the same.
No evidence no existence of that thing.

(October 23, 2013 at 9:16 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: If someone has brain damage or a mental illness or whatever that prevents them from fully accepting Gods grace and they seriously would need it they may get a chance to repent after they're dead. Death doesn't have to be the cut-off point for acceptance that isn't written anywhere.

Except that I was addressing your desperate need to hold onto the idea that the mind is some extra, spiritual thing not connected to the brain, in spite of evidence to the contrary. I don't care about your claims of heaven or hell because, until you can show me anything other than old books and insipid personal feelings to verify them, I have no reason to believe they're there, any more than I would believe in the soul based on the fact that you can't divide things properly.

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(October 23, 2013 at 10:20 am)enrico Wrote: Halt
Stop here.
Before we go any further you and the guy who said that we are finite have to bring the evidence that we are finite.
When somebody say that God exist atheist say to bring evidence or shut up.
I say the same.
No evidence no existence of that thing.

All of the available evidence suggests that we do not persist after our death. Your claim is the one that flies in the face of the available science, and therefore you're the one who has to justify it.

But you won't, because you're enrico, and I'm convinced that you're just rolling your face over the keyboard, rather than thinking before you post.