(October 29, 2013 at 9:03 am)Esquilax Wrote: What's your basis for coming to this conclusion that "most" christians don't get specific guidance from god? Your own personal experience isn't exactly applicable to the entire population.

No, it's not. Neither is his, and he's the one making the claim. You like jumping into other people's (yet another OP) discussions and trying to shift the burden of proof.

(October 29, 2013 at 9:13 am)John V Wrote: No, it's not. Neither is his, and he's the one making the claim. You like jumping into other people's (yet another OP) discussions and trying to shift the burden of proof.

I'm not the one claiming that most christians do X, or what have you. Fact is, we have christians in this forum, other than you, who do make that claim: Godschild claims to have literally seen god here, and Drich has at least a few times, assuming my memory is correct, claimed that god communicates ideas in him through dreams. Before he disappeared, Sword of Christ claimed repeatedly that he gains direction from god, or at least that without him his life would have no direction, implying a few things. It's not as if there's no basis at all for asking this question in a public forum where you aren't the only christian responding.

Beyond that, we are still talking about a god that has the ability to interact with the physical world and relay information, according to the bible. Whether or not god does interact directly with people now, in accordance with your theology he can, so the question of why he doesn't is still pertinent no matter what you believe.

Really, this is just another example of your habit of harping on singular points of an argument to avoid addressing a question that doesn't have an answer you can use to puff up your god.

(October 29, 2013 at 9:22 am)Esquilax Wrote: I'm not the one claiming that most christians do X, or what have you. Fact is, we have christians in this forum, other than you, who do make that claim: Godschild claims to have literally seen god here,

I don't see that claim in the post you linked to. Did you get the right one?

Quote:and Drich has at least a few times, assuming my memory is correct, claimed that god communicates ideas in him through dreams. Before he disappeared, Sword of Christ claimed repeatedly that he gains direction from god, or at least that without him his life would have no direction, implying a few things. It's not as if there's no basis at all for asking this question in a public forum where you aren't the only christian responding.

Yes, I know there's some basis. That's why I call it a straw man. A straw man isn't an invention from thin air - it's a distortion of an actual position. If someone says they get general guidance or direction from god, it's a straw man to say that the person should be able to give addresses of missing children.

Quote:Beyond that, we are still talking about a god that has the ability to interact with the physical world and relay information, according to the bible. Whether or not god does interact directly with people now, in accordance with your theology he can, so the question of why he doesn't is still pertinent no matter what you believe.

Really, this is just another example of your habit of harping on singular points of an argument to avoid addressing a question that doesn't have an answer you can use to puff up your god.

I've addressed the problems of evil and suffering numerous times here.

Geez...it's like watching a boxer whose sole talent is falling down slowly from a knockout punch.

(October 29, 2013 at 9:32 am)John V Wrote: I don't see that claim in the post you linked to. Did you get the right one?

Ah, sorry: it's actually the second one down from him on that page. When asked how he knows what god looks like, and whether he's seen him or not, GC answers:

GC Wrote:Yes, I see Him all the time.

Quote:Yes, I know there's some basis. That's why I call it a straw man. A straw man isn't an invention from thin air - it's a distortion of an actual position. If someone says they get general guidance or direction from god, it's a straw man to say that the person should be able to give addresses of missing children.

Except that the question isn't stating that as a thing those people can do, it's a request for a reason why their god doesn't see fit to do so, along with that general guidance. It's pretty well understood that their position doesn't include information like that, but asking why that's so isn't a strawman, it's a genuine request for additional information.

Quote:I've addressed the problems of evil and suffering numerous times here.

I'm sure you think you have. I'm not really interested in rehashing old arguments when there's a new one sitting right here.

(October 29, 2013 at 9:32 am)John V Wrote:

(October 29, 2013 at 9:22 am)Esquilax Wrote: I'm not the one claiming that most christians do X, or what have you. Fact is, we have christians in this forum, other than you, who do make that claim: Godschild claims to have literally seen god here,

I don't see that claim in the post you linked to. Did you get the right one?

Quote:and Drich has at least a few times, assuming my memory is correct, claimed that god communicates ideas in him through dreams. Before he disappeared, Sword of Christ claimed repeatedly that he gains direction from god, or at least that without him his life would have no direction, implying a few things. It's not as if there's no basis at all for asking this question in a public forum where you aren't the only christian responding.

Yes, I know there's some basis. That's why I call it a straw man. A straw man isn't an invention from thin air - it's a distortion of an actual position. If someone says they get general guidance or direction from god, it's a straw man to say that the person should be able to give addresses of missing children.

Bullshit, your god is supposedly omnipotent, he would have no problem guiding someone to a missing child if he so wished.

Quote:Beyond that, we are still talking about a god that has the ability to interact with the physical world and relay information, according to the bible. Whether or not god does interact directly with people now, in accordance with your theology he can, so the question of why he doesn't is still pertinent no matter what you believe.

Really, this is just another example of your habit of harping on singular points of an argument to avoid addressing a question that doesn't have an answer you can use to puff up your god.

I've addressed the problems of evil and suffering numerous times here.
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None of which has anything to do with what we are discussing here.