(February 8, 2010 at 11:09 am)Gilligan Wrote:

(February 5, 2010 at 7:08 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:but what do you think should happen to the shooter?

He should get a summons for littering.....unless he removed their sorry carcasses.

So you support murder of street preachers?

No. I'm against littering you jesus-freak asshole!

(February 8, 2010 at 11:54 am)Minimalist Wrote: No. I'm against littering you jesus-freak asshole!

Was that really necessary?

(February 8, 2010 at 11:54 am)Minimalist Wrote:

(February 8, 2010 at 11:09 am)Gilligan Wrote:

(February 5, 2010 at 7:08 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:but what do you think should happen to the shooter?

He should get a summons for littering.....unless he removed their sorry carcasses.

So you support murder of street preachers?

No. I'm against littering you jesus-freak asshole!

It's a shame a handful of atheists make the rest look bad.

(February 8, 2010 at 2:12 pm)Zhalentine Wrote:

(February 8, 2010 at 11:54 am)Minimalist Wrote:

(February 8, 2010 at 11:09 am)Gilligan Wrote:

(February 5, 2010 at 7:08 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:but what do you think should happen to the shooter?

He should get a summons for littering.....unless he removed their sorry carcasses.

So you support murder of street preachers?

No. I'm against littering you jesus-freak asshole!

It's a shame a handful of atheists make the rest look bad.

You make a good point. Is it any wonder Christians stereotype atheists? It is people like Minimalist that foster it.

Same can be said about any group of people. This is why it's a good idea not to think in terms of stereotypes...

Quote:Just "a little uneasy" about the shooting?

It is said that if you have to explain your jokes,you've failed. I prefer to think it's due to the stupidity of the recipient.


Anyway--A basic element of humour is the incongruous. One method is gross understatement, which I used. Self deprecation is anoth technique,which I also used.

NO,I did not analyse what I was going to say,I'm simply deconstructing it after the event.

Quote:It's a shame a handful of atheists make the rest look bad.

Fuck you and your fucking fairy tales. If you want respect for them, go a xtian board.

(February 8, 2010 at 2:12 pm)Zhalentine Wrote: It's a shame a handful of atheists make the rest look bad.

That is an unfair statement to ever make. No one on this forum actually claims to represent atheists, and even if they did so, it would not be valid until a significant body of atheists verify that claim.

That said, it is a form of poisoning the well. Just because some atheist is patently offensive does not ruin what others have to say. Argue that it is simply the way people work, then I have a surprise for you - People are NOT LOGICAL. If they were, one could be offensive and be regarded as offensive with no judgement passed to one's peers.

Because you are legitimizing that train of thought for guilt by association with no other context to suggest otherwise, kindly fuck off and die.

(February 8, 2010 at 7:47 pm)Synackaon Wrote:

(February 8, 2010 at 2:12 pm)Zhalentine Wrote: It's a shame a handful of atheists make the rest look bad.

That is an unfair statement to ever make. No one on this forum actually claims to represent atheists, and even if they did so, it would not be valid until a significant body of atheists verify that claim.

That said, it is a form of poisoning the well. Just because some atheist is patently offensive does not ruin what others have to say. Argue that it is simply the way people work, then I have a surprise for you - People are NOT LOGICAL. If they were, one could be offensive and be regarded as offensive with no judgement passed to one's peers.

Because you are legitimizing that train of thought for guilt by association with no other context to suggest otherwise, kindly fuck off and die.

It doesn't matter if he claims to represent atheists or not, nor does it matter whether or not a significant body of atheists verify the claim. You're just talking out of your ass.

I do like your use of strawman though. I never said that people are logical. You're defending a guy who openly supports the killing of innocent civilians and act like a child when people call him out on it, ergo, i can easily see that people are not logical. Show me where I suggested that he ruined what others have to say.

(February 8, 2010 at 9:37 pm)Zhalentine Wrote: It doesn't matter if he claims to represent atheists or not, nor does it matter whether or not a significant body of atheists verify the claim. You're just talking out of your ass.

I do like your use of strawman though. I never said that people are logical. You're defending a guy who openly supports the killing of innocent civilians and act like a child when people call him out on it, ergo, i can easily see that people are not logical. Show me where I suggested that he ruined what others have to say.

I disagree - the very statement you make about one giving others a "bad name" (or anything else, for that matter) implies a form of guilt by association - a thoroughly uncritical and repugnant action to take part in. And that act affects me - hence my actions in this thread. I am not defending Minimalist; I am fighting stupid statements idiots like you perpetuate. I would have hoped that you, in an environment that fosters critical thought, would have grown beyond the simplistic statements that "individual X influences the whole perception of Y" when it is subjective, not logical and usually used as a tool to apply the blame, pejoratives or some negative state of the whole onto the individual.

It is unfair to blame Minimalist and a select few for another's opinions and especially for the perception atheists have as a whole. So yes, fuck you. Fuck you for laying unreasonable blame. Fuck you for the implication that one person is responsible for anything other than their own actions. And most of all, fuck you for being such an asshole about that.

You could have simply stated your distress at Minimalist's statement. Instead, you attempted to poison the well by blaming Minimalist for the current public's perception of atheism - as if that really affects that which he has said.

Indeed I am most irked.