(December 16, 2013 at 8:48 am)Zen Badger Wrote: Hmm, do I attempt to engage this person in intellectual debate knowing that it is the equivalent of playing chess with a pidgeon?

Or do I go straight to mockery?

Hmmmmm.

Do it!

(December 16, 2013 at 8:09 am)WackyWicky Wrote:

(December 11, 2013 at 1:32 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: Ok, seriously, who left the asylum door wide open?

God.

Robert

Make up your mind.

You are correct. The existence of God is not subject to empirical verification.

(December 16, 2013 at 11:10 am)ChadWooters Wrote: You are correct. The existence of God is not subject to empirical verification.

And therefore can be dismissed as a valid premise.

Quote:the some informations contained in holy books which could not be known by human

I'll play. Examples please

And lets not have anything which is vague or only recognizable in hindsight.

Please don't use so many smileys in one post, or else people will start thinking that this is Rapture Ready forums or something.

(December 16, 2013 at 3:09 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote:

Quote:the some informations contained in holy books which could not be known by human

I'll play. Examples please

And lets not have anything which is vague or only recognizable in hindsight.

For example ;

30:3 At the lowest point on the earth. But after their victory, they will be defeated.

Mentions The Lutte Lake (Dead Sea) . Its is the lowest point in the world and this is written in Quran .

(December 16, 2013 at 8:36 am)Nineteen Wrote: Hi ,

I'm agree partially . But I want to make some additions .

Yes , the only valid proof of Gods existence is FAITH , the only valid proof of God's non-existence is FAITH .

But there are more than faith for the God's existence >>> the some informations contained in holy books which could not be known by human .

If we consider the shortest path , according to the materialistic thoughts there is an end of each substance and it is not sufficient to explain the existences .

So the existence of God is leading 1-0 as score .

Please explain what a "valid proof" is, and then explain how "faith" can constitute a "valid proof" of both existence and non-existence.

(December 16, 2013 at 3:28 pm)Nineteen Wrote:

(December 16, 2013 at 3:09 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: I'll play. Examples please

And lets not have anything which is vague or only recognizable in hindsight.

For example ;

30:3 At the lowest point on the earth. But after their victory, they will be defeated.

Mentions The Lutte Lake (Dead Sea) . Its is the lowest point in the world and this is written in Quran .

http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses...ad_sea.htm

This bit is the important bit:
Mr. Ahmed claims that the word near (Adna) can also be translated as lower and hence the above could be read: The Roman Empire was defeated in the lowest land ... Then Mr. Ahmad claims that since the Black Sea is it the lowest point on earth (1300 ft bellow sea level) then Muhammad has said something that no one could have known.

This is of course wishful thinking of a deluded believer and the absurdity of that is self-evident. The Romans were not defeated in the Red Sea but in Jerusalem and Jerusalem is above sea level. If we had to take Mr. Ahmed for his word and disregard the obvious meaning of the word, this verse would have become yet another blunder of Muhammad. However all the interpreters of the Quran have translated the verse correctly. If Muhammad really wanted to impress his readers he could have easily said that the Red Sea is the lowest land on Earth. Note that the verse is mentioning land and not sea. Muhammad is talking about the Jerusalem and not about the Red Sea. (Source)

(December 16, 2013 at 4:42 pm)Duck Wrote:

(December 16, 2013 at 3:28 pm)Nineteen Wrote: For example ;

30:3 At the lowest point on the earth. But after their victory, they will be defeated.

Mentions The Lutte Lake (Dead Sea) . Its is the lowest point in the world and this is written in Quran .

http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses...ad_sea.htm

This bit is the important bit:
Mr. Ahmed claims that the word near (Adna) can also be translated as lower and hence the above could be read: The Roman Empire was defeated in the lowest land ... Then Mr. Ahmad claims that since the Black Sea is it the lowest point on earth (1300 ft bellow sea level) then Muhammad has said something that no one could have known.

This is of course wishful thinking of a deluded believer and the absurdity of that is self-evident. The Romans were not defeated in the Red Sea but in Jerusalem and Jerusalem is above sea level. If we had to take Mr. Ahmed for his word and disregard the obvious meaning of the word, this verse would have become yet another blunder of Muhammad. However all the interpreters of the Quran have translated the verse correctly. If Muhammad really wanted to impress his readers he could have easily said that the Red Sea is the lowest land on Earth. Note that the verse is mentioning land and not sea. Muhammad is talking about the Jerusalem and not about the Red Sea. (Source)

Dead Sea or Lutte . Near of Jarusalem . Not Red Sea .

Verse 30:2 says Romans have been prevailed . Not defeat .

This is the original words >>> غلبت الروم , copy paste it in google translation , will be translated as "Romans have been defeated" , wrong translation . Delete the first world (romans) and it will be translated as "overcome" or "dominated" .

Romans had been dominated the Dead Sea and around it at years 629-630 ... Syria , Jordan , Jarusalem etc . Dead see and around it is a battleground as a flat area and world's lowest zone .... and other verse says Romans will be defeated in the near future ... it says muslims will be happy because of defeat of Romans . Muslim scholars translate it as "muslims will be happy because of Roman's victory" , this is tragicomic , Romans and muslims also were enemies .

Muslims (Omar) and Romans (Heraclius) had faced with each other in year 636 , again in the same area , around the Yarmuk River , Galilee and Dead Sea .