That was fucking embarrassing.

(December 17, 2013 at 7:49 am)Duck Wrote: Did you read the full paper I linked to? I didn't think so. And there are loads of man-made places lower that the bottom of the dead sea. And loads of other places in the world lower (they are under the actual sea).

No I didnt read , I just read the parts you had quoted . Please quote again if there is a part which you dont understand , I will try to explain .

For example which man-made places is more lowest than Lutte ? Pleasse dont misunderstand , I really dont know and want to learn . Lutte is 422 meter below .

(December 17, 2013 at 6:50 am)Nineteen Wrote:

(December 16, 2013 at 8:04 pm)LostLocke Wrote: Lowest point on land. Not the lowest point on Earth.
That belongs to the Mariana Trench. If the Bible/Qur'an said that, that would at least be a little more impressive for that time period, when people were no where near going to those depths yet.

Verse says ; fi-ednel-"ard"i

"Ard" means "earth surface" , not land .

"Deni" means "low"

"Edna" is derived from the word "deni" , it means "lowest" .

If we put aside all and thinks that you dont know anything about arabic . You had write "on land" , not "on the land" . So provides a general sense , not a specific place .

Then your kerrang is incredibly and demonstrably wrong on this point, by your own testimony, since as has been pointed out to you the Dead Sea is far from being the lowest point on the Earth's surface according to your own interpretation.

(December 17, 2013 at 8:13 am)Nineteen Wrote:

(December 17, 2013 at 7:49 am)Duck Wrote: Did you read the full paper I linked to? I didn't think so. And there are loads of man-made places lower that the bottom of the dead sea. And loads of other places in the world lower (they are under the actual sea).

No I didnt read , I just read the parts you had quoted . Please quote again if there is a part which you dont understand , I will try to explain .

For example which man-made places is more lowest than Lutte ? Pleasse dont misunderstand , I really dont know and want to learn . Lutte is 422 meter below .

I have already referenced a list of places below (The shore of the Red Sea is the lowest point of dry land and is 418 metres below mean sea level (MSL)). But I will copy and paste for your ease of access:

Lowest point (artificial)
The lowest point underground ever reached was 12,262 metres (40,230 ft) deep (SG-3 at Kola superdeep borehole).
The lowest human-sized point underground is 3.9 kilometres (2.4 mi)[1] below ground at the TauTona Mine, Carletonville, South Africa.
The lowest (from sea level) artificially made point with open sky, might be the Hambach open pit mine, Germany, 293 metres (961 ft) below sea level.
The lowest (from surface) artificially made point with open sky, might be the Bingham Canyon open pit mine, Salt Lake City, United States, 1,200 metres (3,900 ft) below surface level.
The lowest point underwater was the 10,680 metres (35,040 ft)-deep (as measured from the subsea wellhead) oil and gas well drilled on the Tiber Oil Field located in the Gulf of Mexico. The wellhead of this well was an additional 1,259 metres (4,131 ft) underwater for a total distance of 11,939 metres (39,170 ft) as measured from sea level.[2]28.736667°N 88.386944°W

Lowest point (natural)
The lowest known point is Challenger Deep, at the bottom of the Mariana Trench: 10,911 m (35,797 ft) below sea level.[3] Only three humans have reached the bottom of the trench: Jacques Piccard and US Navy Lieutenant Don Walsh in 1960 aboard Bathyscaphe Trieste and filmmaker James Cameron in 2012 aboard Deepsea Challenger.
The lowest point underground is more than 2,000 metres (6,600 ft) under surface. For example the altitude difference in the Voronya Cave between the entrance and the deepest explored point (its depth) is 2,191 ± 20 metres (7,188 ± 66 ft). The lowest point underground has not been explored.
The lowest point on land not covered by liquid water is the valley under Byrd Glacier, which reaches 9,120 feet (2,780 metres) below sea level. It is, however, covered by a thick layer of ice. See the extremes on Earth page. See list of places on land with elevations below sea level
The lowest point on dry land is the shore of the Dead Sea, shared by Israel and Jordan, 418 m (1,371 ft) below sea level. See List of places on land with elevations below sea level
The point closest to the Earth's centre (~6,353 km (3,948 mi)) is probably at the bottom of the Arctic Ocean (greatest depth 5,450 m (17,881 ft)) near the Geographic North Pole (the bottom of the Mariana Trench is near 6,370 km (3,958 mi) from the centre of the Earth).

Source: Wikipedia {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_points_of_Earth#Lowest_point_.28artificial.29}

On the article I referenced: I am not going to copy and paste the whole thing, it is quite long and the whole point of linking to it is to prevent huge posts. Please READ THE WHOLE ARTICLE, and it will explain to you why the claim you made (that has been made many, many times before) is not credible. Please, please read it. With an open mind?

So you show the glaciers under water as land surface , oil pipes , even things under the sea . Actually I had written in my pre post that "I think you wont write patrol pipes as an evidence" and I had deleted it again , I thought that you wont use such an comic example , but I was mistaken . I see an atheist might be amazingly funny to deny Allah .

Research the first meanings of "ard" from different sources where you wish ; earth surface , land , ground , SOIL , territory , terrain etc . Details in the meaning indicates what kind of land verse is talking about .

You need to dig a big piece of land to deny Allah . Take a photo for me when you dig it .


I'm bored , bye ...

I think we've reached the low point of this thread.

(December 17, 2013 at 2:26 pm)Nineteen Wrote: So you show the glaciers under water as land surface , oil pipes , even things under the sea . Actually I had written in my pre post that "I think you wont write patrol pipes as an evidence" and I had deleted it again , I thought that you wont use such an comic example , but I was mistaken . I see an atheist might be amazingly funny to deny Allah .

Research the first meanings of "ard" from different sources where you wish ; earth surface , land , ground , SOIL , territory , terrain etc . Details in the meaning indicates what kind of land verse is talking about .

You need to dig a big piece of land to deny Allah . Take a photo for me when you dig it .


I'm bored , bye ...

I'm sorry but your English is so poor I am struggling to understand what you mean. In your first sentence you say 'glaciers under water' - I really don't know what to say. The low-lying land beneath the glacier are NOT beneath liquid water because a glacier is ice (solid water).

'Patrol Pipes'? I assume you mean 'petrol pipes', or more accurately oil pipelines, none of which are on the list. And they don't get put underground, because it is too expensive. I really don't know what you are on about here. It is very clear which are natural and which are artificial low points, nothing is being disguised here.

I'm not sure how digging a 'big piece of land' would be of any value to the argument. Care to elaborate?

And... The fact that the word which the whole claim seems to be highly dependent on can be interpreted in many, many ways makes any supernatural connotations less and less credible (like digging a hole, if you consider height to be representative of credibility.)
Anyway.

The rest is just fluff and is of no value.

Did you read the article? I would imagine that you still have not. Any chance you will do so? If you actually read it you will find some cogent arguments that are effective at dismissing the claim you have made. They are quite succinct and easier to follow that disparate posts by many people on here.

I strongly suggest you read it. I have given up asking nicely, however.

Emoticon God exists.

Proof: he took a shit in the OP.

(December 17, 2013 at 6:50 am)Nineteen Wrote: "Ard" means "earth surface" , not land .

The problem is you're going against yourself.

If Ard means the earth's surface, and not just the land, that includes the ground under the oceans. That is part of the surface despite being under water. In this case that verse would be wrong.

Or did you mis-speak and mean to say Ard is just the land, and not the earth's surface?

(December 17, 2013 at 7:27 pm)LostLocke Wrote: The problem is you're going against yourself.

If Ard means the earth's surface, and not just the land, that includes the ground under the oceans. That is part of the surface despite being under water. In this case that verse would be wrong.

Or did you mis-speak and mean to say Ard is just the land, and not the earth's surface?

Yes you're right , thank you for enlightening me .


Oh god ....