(December 23, 2013 at 5:53 pm)savedwheat Wrote: How many cause and effects can you think up and how many instances can you think of something coming from nothing?
This is my evidence.
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Why Should Someone Be an Atheist?
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 Quantum Fluctuation  (December 23, 2013 at 5:35 pm)savedwheat Wrote: The necessity of the uncreated Creator would make your question illogical when you ask what caused the uncaused.This particular argument always comes down to this, it seems. There must be an uncaused cause. Why? 'cause. Having realized that you face an endless regression, you draw a line at some point and call it god. Why draw the line? Because there cannot be infinite regress, so there must be something! And this something is god? Yes! And where is he? He is undetectable! So how do you know he's there? YOU CAN'T PROVE HE ISN'T! Your argument relies on a lot of "there has to be this" which no one can detect because it exists outside of space and time, yet you have an intimate and exact knowledge of this thing, unless you're asked to explain some of its actions, in which case we cannot possibly know its deep and mysterious mind. Sure, the atheist has the easier case to defend, but that's because we choose to defend a case that doesn't sound batshit insane on its face.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould 
I am always amazed when people ask why one should be an atheist and then completely fail to demonstrate the god they believe in.
I guess you just have to spoonfeed some people.
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 (December 23, 2013 at 5:53 pm)savedwheat Wrote: How many cause and effects can you think up and how many instances can you think of something coming from nothing? How many uncreated, eternal things outside of space and time can you think of?  That's my evidence against your god.
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There can only be one.
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
Must be 1.
 (December 24, 2013 at 2:58 am)savedwheat Wrote: Must be 1. Assertion without evidence. Not really worth the time it took to read it.
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