(February 19, 2014 at 8:26 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: It's really more to develop the bond of your relationship to your creator.

When forming a bond with anything, I require feedback of some sort. Even my non-verbal plants give feedback. God never does.

(February 19, 2014 at 9:43 am)truthBtold Wrote: Where do u even start a claim like that?

Right here.



Where do you start with your claim?

(February 19, 2014 at 9:47 am)Sword of Christ Wrote:

(February 19, 2014 at 9:43 am)truthBtold Wrote: Where do u even start a claim like that?

Right here.



Where do you start with your claim?

Me? What claim? A book written by man... is where u get ur info? You are told that the bible is gods word and u believe it without evidence?? I have a book that says the bible is wrong.. does that make my book true?

(February 19, 2014 at 9:50 am)truthBtold Wrote: does that make my book true?

I get all my truths from Cracked.com.

(February 19, 2014 at 9:50 am)truthBtold Wrote: Me? What claim? A book written by man...

The claim you're making is that Bible was purely the work of man as God does no exist or there is no good reason believe that God exists. What do you base this claim upon? What you feel inside yourself to be true? At least in the context of faith what you feel inside yourself to be true can be based on the Holy Spirit while for an atheist it will literally just be your own mind for certain.

Quote: is where u get ur info? You are told that the bible is gods word and u believe it without evidence??

There are other reasons to believe in God or higher power in general hence the universality of belief but if you want to start with the claim of the Abrahamic/Christian God specifically then that's the special revelation in question. Through this revelation you can come to understand various specifics regarding God and his creation that would otherwise be unavailable to human reason alone.

Quote: I have a book that says the bible is wrong.. does that make my book true?

I have a book that claims God doesn't exist but the gods of Norse mythology do so obviously you can't just read a book then believe it's true you have to use your rational mind and common sense as well.

(February 19, 2014 at 10:53 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: The claim you're making is that Bible was purely the work of man as God does no exist or there is no good reason believe that God exists. What do you base this claim upon?

Did you see the report about the archaeologists finding that camels were domesticated much much later than suggested in Biblical writings? That would be a good indication.

(February 19, 2014 at 11:04 am)thesummerqueen Wrote: Did you see the report about the archaeologists finding that camels were domesticated much much later than suggested in Biblical writings? That would be a good indication.

The Bible was written far latter than the oral tradition accounts but there is still plenty of historical accuracy in the Bible that event secular historians will support.

http://www.everystudent.com/features/bible.html

http://www.theopedia.com/Historicity_of_..._Testament

(February 19, 2014 at 9:41 am)Sword of Christ Wrote:

(February 19, 2014 at 9:26 am)truthBtold Wrote: Whos HE?

The supreme intelligence and purposeful prime mover who is the foundation of all reality, consciousness and the natural order of everything that exists anywhere that exists.

Evidence?


Didn't think so.

(February 19, 2014 at 11:09 am)Minimalist Wrote: Evidence?


Didn't think so.

There's plenty of evidence just no scientific proof, you can't have scientific proof of something that exists beyond the physical universe as perceived by the senses that science can study. Where is your evidence anyway? You must have something other than your opinion to support your counterclaim with?

Atheist: "Show me that me the evidence that God exists!"

Theist: *presents the evidence*

Atheist: "That's not evidence because God doesn't actually exist!"

Theist: "What makes you say that?"

Atheist: "It's my opinion and my opinion is true and you must agree with my opinion!"

Theist: "What is your opinion based on and why is it true?"

Atheist: "It's not based on anything it's reality, the way I see it! therefore it is true!"

You can read the atheist in the voice of "Rod Hull" that's what it sounds like to most people, it's a little bit bonkers.

(February 19, 2014 at 11:13 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: Where is your evidence anyway? You must have something other than your opinion to support your counterclaim with?

The evidence for his "counterclaim" is the fact that you can't produce any evidence.