(February 19, 2014 at 4:46 pm)LastPoet Wrote: Do you have anything else for us except words written on your poorly written book? What are you a human being, or a sheep that spills what is told for him to say? LastPoet 1:1

I am human. Though in a spiritual sense I am a sheep, and The Lord is my Shepherd.

"I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep." (John 10:11)

(February 19, 2014 at 4:51 pm)The Good News Wrote: I am human. Though in a spiritual sense I am a sheep, and The Lord is my Shepherd.

"I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep." (John 10:11)

Have you tried a street corner for that? Its a public place, unlike this forum. We are interested in people that engage in discussion, not advertize their brand of "x".

(February 19, 2014 at 4:49 pm)max-greece Wrote: TGN,

You have no idea what love is. Your god is not capable of the ultimate form of love, that of a parent for a child or vice versa. That my friend is unconditional love against which the claimed love of your loathsome god pales into insignificance.

No parent persuades his offspring that they are nothing without him. No parent demands worship and no parents promises to always be watching them, never letting then go, never letting them be free.

You truely have no idea what love is, truely.

The Father sent His only Son to die for the sins of wicked men who are not deserving of His death.

It is you who do not know what love is.

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(February 19, 2014 at 4:49 pm)max-greece Wrote: TGN,

You have no idea what love is. Your god is not capable of the ultimate form of love, that of a parent for a child or vice versa. That my friend is unconditional love against which the claimed love of your loathsome god pales into insignificance.

No parent persuades his offspring that they are nothing without him. No parent demands worship and no parents promises to always be watching them, never letting then go, never letting them be free.

You truely have no idea what love is, truely.

Also it is God who gives men their children. By despising God, men despise their children.

(February 19, 2014 at 4:54 pm)The Good News Wrote:

(February 19, 2014 at 4:49 pm)max-greece Wrote: TGN,

You have no idea what love is. Your god is not capable of the ultimate form of love, that of a parent for a child or vice versa. That my friend is unconditional love against which the claimed love of your loathsome god pales into insignificance.

No parent persuades his offspring that they are nothing without him. No parent demands worship and no parents promises to always be watching them, never letting then go, never letting them be free.

You truely have no idea what love is, truely.

The Father sent His only Son to die for the sins of wicked men who are not deserving of His death.

It is you who do not know what love is.

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(February 19, 2014 at 4:49 pm)max-greece Wrote: TGN,

You have no idea what love is. Your god is not capable of the ultimate form of love, that of a parent for a child or vice versa. That my friend is unconditional love against which the claimed love of your loathsome god pales into insignificance.

No parent persuades his offspring that they are nothing without him. No parent demands worship and no parents promises to always be watching them, never letting then go, never letting them be free.

You truely have no idea what love is, truely.

Also it is God who gives men their children. By despising God, men despise their children.

The standard justification and claim: Your all powerful deity sacrificed himself to himself to change his own rules.

So much for being all powerful.

(February 19, 2014 at 4:44 pm)The Good News Wrote:

(February 19, 2014 at 4:38 pm)Beccs Wrote: Your own words condemn you.

I'll take a Christian like Jacob over a Christian like yourself any day of the week.

That is what his problem is:

"If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you." (John 15:19)

Always happy to hear what my problem is

But, to put it in language you're Familier with, I think you need to think about contextualising your witness. Ask yourself, no actually strike that, ask your pastor or support group, whether telling people they are incapable of love is likely to make them more or less receptive to what you have to say. Do you really think anyone is going to read that and say "by giminie he's right! What I feel for my wife / child / brother is NOT love, I need the love of jesus in my life". Is that feeding them "milk"? Is that meeting them where they are? I think not.

There is a difference between being bold and uncompromising in your belief, and being a dickhead.

(February 19, 2014 at 4:27 pm)The Good News Wrote:

(February 19, 2014 at 4:19 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: Just when I was starting to like you.

Son, I am disappoint.

Just to check, do you by chance mean the hs which is the spark of spiritual perfection which dwells in all humans, or the specific Christian thing.

There is no such thing as the holy spirit which indwells all humans. The Holy Spirit indwells only believers. You should stop pretending to be a Christian. You are not fooling God.

'Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.”' (2 Tim 2:19)

I think you made a leap assuming that Jacob(smooth) said that the holy spirit is in every person. Every person, we believe, is receptive to it:

Romans 1:18-20 "what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse."

(February 19, 2014 at 5:38 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:

(February 19, 2014 at 4:27 pm)The Good News Wrote: There is no such thing as the holy spirit which indwells all humans. The Holy Spirit indwells only believers. You should stop pretending to be a Christian. You are not fooling God.

'Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.”' (2 Tim 2:19)

I think you made a leap assuming that Jacob(smooth) said that the holy spirit is in every person. Every person, we believe, is receptive to it:

Romans 1:18-20 "what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse."

Actually, I'm undecided on that point. Not least because I don't believe I understand what God is except in the crudest sense. I do however think it entirely possible that god, in some form or other, exists in all of us. We give it many names, and some people are more aware of it than others but I think it's there. It's not a doctrine I'm committed to by any means but I wouldn't rule it out.

(February 19, 2014 at 5:32 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: There is a difference between being bold and uncompromising in your belief, and being a dickhead.

Not if you're a True Christian, because being bold and uncompromising in your belief requires being a dickhead.

(February 19, 2014 at 6:38 pm)Faith No More Wrote:

(February 19, 2014 at 5:32 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: There is a difference between being bold and uncompromising in your belief, and being a dickhead.

Not if you're a True Christian, because being bold and uncompromising in your belief requires being a dickhead.

It really shouldn't.

People really stretch John 15:19. It may be true that if you are a true Christian ™ the world will hate you. It does not follow that the world hating you makes you a true Christian ™. Being a douche does not make one holy.

(February 19, 2014 at 6:25 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: Actually, I'm undecided on that point. Not least because I don't believe I understand what God is except in the crudest sense. I do however think it entirely possible that god, in some form or other, exists in all of us. We give it many names, and some people are more aware of it than others but I think it's there. It's not a doctrine I'm committed to by any means but I wouldn't rule it out.

We all have to be part of God if God is the creator.
The "God spot" is also a common descriptor and I think the Romans passage nails it.
It's good to be learning, open to ideas and understanding. It's what honours the belief... a genuine interest, I think.