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RE: Prayer is blasphemous
February 21, 2014 at 1:52 pm
(February 21, 2014 at 3:16 am)Godschild Wrote: (February 18, 2014 at 2:21 pm)MitchBenn Wrote: Sorry if this idea has been mooted before, but ...
It occurred to me the other day that, if one accepts the notion of God as omniscient, omnipotent and ineffably wise, isn't the whole notion of prayer inherently blasphemous?
If God is omniscient, then whatever issue you're trying to draw his attention to, he already KNOWS about. As such, if he is refusing to intercede, he must have his reasons, being ineffably wise.
As such, to pray for intercession, whether on your own behalf or anyone else's, is either to deny God's omniscience (by drawing his attention to something you seem to think he's somehow missed) or to question his judgment (by challenging his decision not to intercede, or, if he has ALREADY interceded, by pointing out that he has, in your opinion, interceded incorrectly).
You're questioning his competence, in any event, by essentially telling him how to do his job...
Thoughts?
Jesus gave us an example of how we should pray, this does your thought in.
GC
So u say... zzzzz
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RE: Prayer is blasphemous
February 21, 2014 at 2:52 pm
"And ALL things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, BELIEVING, ye SHALL receive." (Matthew 21:22)
"Therefore I say unto you, WHAT THINS SOEVER YE DESIRE, when ye pray, BELIEVE that ye receive them, and ye SHALL have them." (Mark 11:24)
Prayer works? Sometimes, sometimes not. I pray to a plant and what I want to happen, happens. I pray to God, and nada.When I was a christian, most of the important stuff I needed, god never helped me, no matter how much I believed he would, and no matter how much I needed it. Then other times, stupid things that made no difference to my life at all, were "granted". You see, It's all about the law of probability. It's got nothing to do with god.
Oh, and in case you still argue that he answers prayers, well then his 'word' is a lie, as shown in the above verses.
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RE: Prayer is blasphemous
February 21, 2014 at 7:38 pm
(February 18, 2014 at 2:21 pm)MitchBenn Wrote: Sorry if this idea has been mooted before, but ...
It occurred to me the other day that, if one accepts the notion of God as omniscient, omnipotent and ineffably wise, isn't the whole notion of prayer inherently blasphemous?
If God is omniscient, then whatever issue you're trying to draw his attention to, he already KNOWS about. As such, if he is refusing to intercede, he must have his reasons, being ineffably wise.
As such, to pray for intercession, whether on your own behalf or anyone else's, is either to deny God's omniscience (by drawing his attention to something you seem to think he's somehow missed) or to question his judgment (by challenging his decision not to intercede, or, if he has ALREADY interceded, by pointing out that he has, in your opinion, interceded incorrectly).
You're questioning his competence, in any event, by essentially telling him how to do his job...
Thoughts?
When I pray I think exactly the same thing.
The reality hits you, and you realise your own selfishness. It puts in perspective your desires when considering the bigger picture.
That doesn't stop me having my desires, my desire to see suffering end, my desire for healing etc etc..
I can still voice those desires.
But then I don't see prayer as a wish basket. Prayer is where I realise God. I'm in awe of who and what he is, and I can be grateful and appreciate what I otherwise hadn't.
My quality of life is enhanced.
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RE: Prayer is blasphemous
February 22, 2014 at 11:40 am
(February 21, 2014 at 7:38 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: (February 18, 2014 at 2:21 pm)MitchBenn Wrote: Sorry if this idea has been mooted before, but ...
It occurred to me the other day that, if one accepts the notion of God as omniscient, omnipotent and ineffably wise, isn't the whole notion of prayer inherently blasphemous?
If God is omniscient, then whatever issue you're trying to draw his attention to, he already KNOWS about. As such, if he is refusing to intercede, he must have his reasons, being ineffably wise.
As such, to pray for intercession, whether on your own behalf or anyone else's, is either to deny God's omniscience (by drawing his attention to something you seem to think he's somehow missed) or to question his judgment (by challenging his decision not to intercede, or, if he has ALREADY interceded, by pointing out that he has, in your opinion, interceded incorrectly).
You're questioning his competence, in any event, by essentially telling him how to do his job...
Thoughts?
When I pray I think exactly the same thing.
The reality hits you, and you realise your own selfishness. It puts in perspective your desires when considering the bigger picture.
That doesn't stop me having my desires, my desire to see suffering end, my desire for healing etc etc..
I can still voice those desires.
But then I don't see prayer as a wish basket. Prayer is where I realise God. I'm in awe of who and what he is, and I can be grateful and appreciate what I otherwise hadn't.
My quality of life is enhanced.
Its called meditation. ....
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RE: Prayer is blasphemous
February 22, 2014 at 3:18 pm
No it isn't 
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RE: Prayer is blasphemous
February 22, 2014 at 3:25 pm
(This post was last modified: February 22, 2014 at 3:29 pm by truthBtold.)
(February 22, 2014 at 3:18 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: No it isn't
Im still waiting for someone to describe this god. And u say "he" is it a he?
People pray for a new job.. and get it and give credit to god... someone prays for food because they are starving but die.. whats the reason? They didnt pray hard enough.. people like u are a joke to say that prayer works for u..
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RE: Prayer is blasphemous
February 22, 2014 at 4:21 pm
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(February 22, 2014 at 3:25 pm)truthBtold Wrote: (February 22, 2014 at 3:18 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: No it isn't
Im still waiting for someone to describe this god. And u say "he" is it a he?
People pray for a new job.. and get it and give credit to god... someone prays for food because they are starving but die.. whats the reason? They didnt pray hard enough.. people like u are a joke to say that prayer works for u..
Why are you waiting? Can't you find out for yourself?
He is also a she.
How hard you pray or how deserving you might think you are has no bearing on the outcome.
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RE: Prayer is blasphemous
February 22, 2014 at 4:24 pm
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(February 22, 2014 at 3:18 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: No it isn't
Is too! Is too!
(February 22, 2014 at 3:25 pm)truthBtold Wrote: (February 22, 2014 at 3:18 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: No it isn't
Im still waiting for someone to describe this god. And u say "he" is it a he?
His holy package is truly great.
Fortunately I'm made in His image. 
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RE: Prayer is blasphemous
February 22, 2014 at 4:29 pm
(This post was last modified: February 22, 2014 at 4:31 pm by truthBtold.)
(February 22, 2014 at 4:21 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: (February 22, 2014 at 3:25 pm)truthBtold Wrote: Im still waiting for someone to describe this god. And u say "he" is it a he?
People pray for a new job.. and get it and give credit to god... someone prays for food because they are starving but die.. whats the reason? They didnt pray hard enough.. people like u are a joke to say that prayer works for u..
Why are you waiting? Can't you find out for yourself?
He is also a she.
How hard you pray or how deserving you might think you are has no bearing on the outcome.
A he she?
(February 22, 2014 at 4:24 pm)whateverist Wrote: (February 22, 2014 at 3:18 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: No it isn't
Is too! Is too!
(February 22, 2014 at 3:25 pm)truthBtold Wrote: Im still waiting for someone to describe this god. And u say "he" is it a he?
His holy package is truly great.
Fortunately I'm made in His image.
His holy package? the package that if a women were to grab while her husband is fighting with another man. Ooh that jerk off god guy.. the killer..
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RE: Prayer is blasphemous
February 22, 2014 at 4:41 pm
(February 22, 2014 at 4:29 pm)truthBtold Wrote: A he she?
Oh yes. Watch out for those. They're all angels.
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