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(May 10, 2014 at 1:52 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Good luck with that. When that happens, when ol' "Pity Me" decides to show his beardy face, give me a call. In the meantime, I'll thank you to keep your preachy platitudes and contemptuous condemnations to your sanctimonious self, m'kay?
Did you get offended?
Were you trying to offend? The point that you cannot be this dense to appreciate is that I for one don't care what you say you believe is going to happen. What I am objecting to is your tone of preachy condescension, your air of supercilious superiority. I'm not offended at your mythology nor your take on it - I'm offended that you consider there's something broken in me that only you and your religion can fix, such that I can be 'saved' like you.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
If rev had such a hard time replying to us when he had once a day access... imagine what will happen after 3 days?!
- the triple of non-responses and a far speedier ticket to the next stage of ban... alas, we'll never get to see the other 5 arguments.
I was sOOOO looking forward to those!
(May 9, 2014 at 4:41 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: So kind just means species then?
The Holy Scriptures does not get into great detail on this.
It doesn't go into any detail on it.
Quote:Thank you for the lesson. However, why can't an all-powerful God have used the same code? He is the Creator, sounds like He certainly could of done it that way.
God could have done it any number of ways. Curious that he chose the method that would provide evidence that it happened another way. It's almost as if it happened without his input at all!
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
Maybe god was just lazy. Or busy. He's gotta be busy not answering anyone's prayers ever.
"There remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking." ~Christopher Hitchens, god is not Great
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(May 11, 2014 at 8:56 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: Jesus does answer prayers, just not with a frequency that would make it seem like anything other than random good luck was going on. Obviously.
All I know is that if I work really hard at something, and pray to Jesus that I'm successful, most of the time I'm successful. So, you know...checkmate atheists.
"There remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking." ~Christopher Hitchens, god is not Great
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(May 10, 2014 at 2:07 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Apologies if this has already been covered; I'm catching up and replying on the fly.
Here's how it works. Please take the time to take this on board, beacuse it really is key to the entire issue.
The Earth, like every planet we know, is spherical. Slightly flattened at the poles, hence "oblate". Now...
A man believes the world is a flat, circular plane. Does that change the shape of the world?
The man points to an ancient book which supports his belief. Does that change the shape of the world?
The man finds ten people who agree with him. Does that change the shape of the world?
Those people recruit thousands of followers. Does that change the shape of the world?
Some of those people are scientists. Does that change the shape of the world?
Eventually the group grows to millions, some of them world leaders. Does that change the shape of the world?
Soon the entire population believes the world is a flat, circular plane. Whole websites and libraries are filled with literature declaiming the truth of the world's being a flat, circular plane.
Does that change the shape of the world?
Would the world, if able to express a preference, care?
That is why the argument from popularity is a logical fallacy. We already know there are people with such beliefs; but belief in a thing does not equal the true nature nor even the existence of that thing.
Are you insinuating that the Bible says the world is flat? It doesn't say that.
(May 9, 2014 at 12:49 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Blasphemy of the holy spirit. Unforgivable sin.
Are you claiming that the unforgivable is somehow now forgivable? Sorry, Rev - I have to call bullshit on that.
You're just making this shit up as you go, aren't you?
The way you blaspheme the Holy Ghost is by continuing to reject the Lord. Hope you don't do that.
(May 9, 2014 at 2:53 am)Aral Gamelon Wrote: How about something we can fucking observe?!
It was observed, and millions of changed lives attest to their own personal testimony of how Jesus changed them.
(May 9, 2014 at 10:19 am)Cato Wrote: God sucking my dick without an intermediary would probably do it for me.
I must warn you I will place you on my ignore list if you continue to be so disrespectful to the Lord.
(May 9, 2014 at 11:02 am)Chas Wrote: You're not Jesus.
And that somehow makes it not nuts?
So do heartworms.
So sharks and whales and cod are all the same 'kind'?
The Lord was not terrible specific on that kind of breakdown.
(May 9, 2014 at 11:28 am)rasetsu Wrote:
First you invoked that God can do anything, literally anything, a kind of magic, and then you claim you don't invoke magic.
One of these statements is a lie. Which one is it, Rev?
Regardless, that ERVs can be made consistent with the God hypothesis by invoking magic doesn't make them any less strong as evidence for evolution, as they are consistent with that hypothesis as well. They are a startling confirmation of common descent even IF you could achieve the same result with 'magic'. Do you have any actual evidence that God rather than evolution did it, or are you gonna settle for invoking magic as an answer?
I don't God's divine power magic.
Rev, the only thing we're 'disrespecting' is your imagination, not your silly god thing (which has no evidence for its existence).
If you don't want your beliefs to be ridiculed or commented on, don't share them with us.
Otherwise, don't expect us all to sit back and take everything you say as given, or indeed take a tone of 'respect' towards them. No beliefs deserved to be 'respected', especially ones that use an imaginary being as a motivator and justification for behaviour.
(May 4, 2014 at 10:18 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Argument #2: Evolution of Species
My argument is not that change doesn’t take place within species over time. My argument is that no matter how long the time frame, there is no substantial scientific evidence that a microbe has evolved into a human being. Additionally, there is no substantial scientific evidence that non-living chemicals can produce a living cell regardless of time and/or chance.
That isn't the issue. We have seen evolution in action in different areas and we have brilliant evidence to prove the evolution is a bold colloquial fact, looking into specifics like what have have stated is not important and it does not matter to the fact of evolution whatsoever.
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