(May 5, 2014 at 7:38 pm)ThomM Wrote:
(May 5, 2014 at 6:42 pm)Lek Wrote: You're right, even many christians don't claim to know indisputably who the authors were and what the dates of writing are. At the same time, all your comments don't prove the dates of writing or authorship either. There's huge numbers of people on both sides with agendas to prove or disprove christianity. When I study the scriptures, written by different authors over 1,500 years and see their continuity and integrity, I choose to accept them as the word of God. That, combined with my lifetime experience and the testimony of others, supports my acceptance of christianity.
Sorry - but I see the problems - contradictions - errors - and nonsense that prove that the word of god of your claim is simply a HUMAN created document of questionable worth.
Sop = what YOU are saying is that YOU accept the gods that are written in the bible - ALL OF THEM - since YOU say they have integrity
SO YOU accept these gods
Adrammelech II Kings 17:31 Sepharvite God.
Anammelech II Kings 17:31 Sepharvite God.
Ashima II Kings 17:30 Samaritan Moon Goddess.
Ashtoreth I Kings 11:05 Canaanite Goddess.
Baal I Kings 18:19 Canaanite God ("Lord") of fertility, vegitation, and storms.
Baal-berith Judges 8:33 A regional variation/aspect of Baal.
Baal-peor Numbers 25:03 Moabite regional variation/aspect of Baal.
Baal-zebub Luke 11:19 Philistine/Ekronian regional variation/aspect of Baal.
Baalim I Kings 18:18 Canaanite Gods ("Lords"), a collective of the different aspects of Baa.
Bel Isiah 46:01 Assyrian/Babylonian/Sumerian God ("Lord").
Chemosh I Kings 11:07 Moabite war God.
Dagon I Samuel 05:02 Philistine/Ekronian/Babylonian God of agriculture.
Diana of the Ephesians Acts 19:35 Ephesian moon and nature Goddess, ("Divine/Brilliant").
Jehovah Exodus 6:03 Hebrew God
Jupiter Acts 14:12 Roman God (possibly derived from 'Zeus-pater', Father Zeus).
Lucifer Isiah 14:12 ("Light-Bearer")
Mercurius Acts 14:12 Otherwise known as the Roman God Mercury, God of communication and travel, and messenger of the Gods...which is probably why Paul was called this at Lystra.
Milcom I Kings 11:05 Ammonite God
Molech I Kings 11:07 Ammonite God, also called Moloch, most probably Baal-Hammon of Carthage.
Nebo Isiah 46:01 Assyrian/Babylonian/Chaldean God of wisdom and writing, also called Nabu.
Nergal II Kings 17:30 Cuth/Assyrian/Babylonian war and underworld God, also called Meshlamthea.
Nibhaz II Kings 17:31 Avites God
Nisroch II Kings 19:37 Assyrian God
Rimmon II Kings 05:18 Babylonian/Syrian storm God involved (as Ramman) with the Deluge, according to Hebrew texts; also known as Ramman/Rammon.
Succoth-benoth II Kings 17:30 Babylonian fertility Goddess ("She Who Produces Seed"), also known as Zarpanitu/Zerpanitum.
Tammuz Ezekial 8:14 Assyrian/Babylonian God
Tartak II Kings 17:31 Avites God
The problem is - most xtians - have not actually read the bible
I have - from cover to cover - a number of times
ANd the problem is - when xtians like you cherry pick the parts you want to beleive - - WE know that there are contradictions - errors - and MYTH and LEGEND in the bible without question. There is not integrity - the message is not consistent at all. And why would god deliberately give statements it knows are not true - and cannot be true.
Example - in Luke and Matthew - the devil took the christ (when he was wandering in the desert) to a high place from which he could see all the kingdoms of the world. That cannot be true - the earth is a sphere and the curvature of the earth prevents us from seeing all the kingdoms mentioned in the bible from one point. I cannot be a "vision" because it is not claimed while the word vision appears many time in other place in the bible - so clearly god did not want this to be a vision. Why would the word of god - not be true - when it should be perfect?
More important for me - HOW did this story get into the bible to begin with? THere are only two possible sources - and the god would - knowing it cannot be true - would not be one of them. The two sources can only be - the devil - or it was a human creation of the writer (Whoever the writer actually was).
According to the bible - when a person says something that turns out not to be true - he is a false prophet. The christ said - in the bible - that there would be those among his audience of the time that would not die - before he returned. So - who is the person who is still alive from that era - or is the statement in the bible wrong?
Of course - - according to the bible - the Messiah will unite ALL of the world under one religion (Judaism) and have all others admit that their belief was false ( As it says: "God will be King over all the world—on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9). If you are going to end up a Jew - why ever become an Xtian?
The Messiah must be descended on his father’s side from King David (see Genesis 49:10 and Isaiah 11:1). A person without a human father cannot fulfill that one either.
What were the last three words the christ supposedly said on the cross- why do the gospels disagree on that?
Who was there when the tomb was opened - why do they disagree on that
The god of the bible says that the "new" commandments tablets (After Moses destroyed the first ones) would be the same as the first - any third grader can see they are NOT the same - Why can't YOU?
Do you really believe that FORCING a woman who was raped to MARRY her rapist - is the word of your god - and WHY would I want a god who would force that situation?
And the claim of a NEW COVENANT - replacing the old - admit that the god LIES. If the god was ALL knowing - past -present and future - then it would have KNOWN when it made the first Covenant with man - that is was NOT going to live up to it - so the word of the god is worthless since it lies - IN THE BIBLE.
Don't bother denying the Old Testament - Until you can quote the BIBLE passage that tells you to do so - and YOU cannot - in the bible, the christ said that all laws still apply.
The problem is - xtianity is not the only religion - nor is it even one religion - or a small group - and not just in the world - but in the bible. In the USA - there are over 40,000 different religion accepted by the IRS as christian. ANd when you ask them individually - which is correct and which is false - they ALL are false.
And there are LOTS of other things that are wrong with a claim of integrity
Technically Jesus did return during the lifetimes of his listeners. That's because he was only dead for a couple of hours, according to the fairy tale. Of course when he popped out of the tomb none of the signs that supposedly would occur actually happened. He stayed around for 40 days hanging out with his pals and going fishing so that should qualify as a legitimate return. If he was to return again it would be his third time.
