(May 30, 2014 at 4:36 pm)alpha male Wrote: Again, it's just your opinion that consciousness or self-awareness is the crucial dividing line.

I'm curious as to what your crucial dividing line is.

(May 30, 2014 at 4:40 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: I'm curious as to what your crucial dividing line is.

Human conception.

(May 30, 2014 at 6:47 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(May 30, 2014 at 4:40 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: I'm curious as to what your crucial dividing line is.

Human conception.

Why?

I explained mine. You explain yours.

(May 30, 2014 at 7:17 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: Why?

I explained mine. You explain yours.

Regarding animals, they're tasty.

Within humans, I already explained - individual DNA can be used as an indicator of personhood.

Regarding fictional robots - I dunno.

abortion leads to chaos.. it's a sign of the anti-christ. lol my thread on abortion was less stupid.. and boy was it stupid. let us just say that if a baby is gonna starve, stick a needle through it's almost developed head. discuss.

(May 30, 2014 at 7:33 pm)alpha male Wrote: Within humans, I already explained - individual DNA can be used as an indicator of personhood.

How so?

(May 30, 2014 at 3:03 pm)Losty Wrote: Why are "next day birth control pills" not cool?

I THINK it is not good for the female hormones and I THINK it is not 100% effective.

(May 30, 2014 at 3:08 pm)Cato Wrote: Why is it so difficult for people to understand that "pro-choice" does not equate to desiring abortions or that abortions are a preferred method of birth control?

There is no reason to argue about natures laws. People are "pro-choice" one way or the other because it is our nature to be so. If a woman does not want a baby then there is nothing on earth anyone of us can (or should) do if she desides to terminate the process. Illegalizing abortions is simply fascist and opens doors to numerous other problems. No argues there.
I simply believe that the answer to this problem has nothing to do with legistlation.
I believe the answer is sexual education and simplified adoption processes, or even financial support to young unwedded mothers, or something like that.
If a woman has numerous choices but still decides to go through an abortion then she is a complete MORON.
But... everyone has the right to be one.
Maybe we could legistlate something like "on the second abortion you are obliged to be sterilised", but that too sounds quite fascist...
Even if we tried to "protect" the unborn baby, there is really no way for us to do so practically. We would only give "birth" to numerous illegal abortion clinics.
This is not a problem to be solved with legistlation. It is a problem to be solved by education.

How can you end with something this smart

(May 31, 2014 at 2:51 am)Jason_ab Wrote: This is not a problem to be solved with legistlation. It is a problem to be solved by education

When you started with this complete bullshit?

(May 31, 2014 at 2:51 am)Jason_ab Wrote: I THINK it is not good for the female hormones and I THINK it is not 100% effective.

Good thing we have you to think for us, since the doctors obviously know nothing.

And this

(May 31, 2014 at 2:51 am)Jason_ab Wrote: If a woman has numerous choices but still decides to go through an abortion then she is a complete MORON.

Why do you have a right to judge this hypothetical woman that you don't know, whose circumstances you're oblivious to?

And this

(May 31, 2014 at 2:51 am)Jason_ab Wrote: Maybe we could legistlate something like "on the second abortion you are obliged to be sterilised", but that too sounds quite fascist...

Ya think? This idea is complete garbage.

(May 30, 2014 at 9:19 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: How so?

Don't play dumb just to continue the debate.

(May 30, 2014 at 7:33 pm)alpha male Wrote: Within humans, I already explained - individual DNA can be used as an indicator of personhood.

If the formation of DNA is the indicator that an abortion should not be performed because it is now a "person", then you are also against animal abortions too, right?