(July 1, 2014 at 11:07 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: I'm sorry... what are you arguing then? You use things as if they're arguments, then say they're not your arguments.

Can you summarize what you are arguing for/against? It's getting very confusing.

I never intended to argue for anything, then I started arguing defending people's right to objection of conscience. I manifested myself supporting legalization and liberalization of abortion (I don't know about the ethics though, I rather not think about it for now), but showed my disrespect towards my government making abortion free and contraceptives costly.

The only opinion I made that was not an argument was when I said 'I know plenty of med students that are not ethical Ok with abortion. But I never used it as an argument, I just stated an opinion some med students share, known by me as a result of personal social experiences.

I never intended to argue much further in this, I just did it because I disagreed with losty regarding people's fundamental rights and conscience of objection. That divergence is already settled.

Maybe since english is not my native language I sometimes still fail to express my thoughts correctly or at least as accurately as I wanted them to be.

(July 1, 2014 at 4:37 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: Blackout, you can decide in your head all day long what's ethical, but when it comes to the act of actually going out and getting an abortion, the pregnant woman is the only one who should have the right to decide. I stand by that.

In a society where we've somehow decided that abortion should be up for a vote, I also hold the unpopular view that men shouldn't be allowed to vote on it. Would you want women voting on the legality of circumcision? I think circumcision is genital mutilation and that it's a practice that should be stopped immediately, but I don't think I should get a vote in the matter.

I'll have to disagree on this. Infant/children circumcision is not comparable to abortion. These infants/children don't have a choice in the matter and did not ask to be circumcised, so it is every adult's business to speak against this matter (man and woman). Only adults should have the right to decide to have circumcision for themselves (not children).

(July 1, 2014 at 11:32 pm)Irrational Wrote:

(July 1, 2014 at 4:37 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: Blackout, you can decide in your head all day long what's ethical, but when it comes to the act of actually going out and getting an abortion, the pregnant woman is the only one who should have the right to decide. I stand by that.

In a society where we've somehow decided that abortion should be up for a vote, I also hold the unpopular view that men shouldn't be allowed to vote on it. Would you want women voting on the legality of circumcision? I think circumcision is genital mutilation and that it's a practice that should be stopped immediately, but I don't think I should get a vote in the matter.

I'll have to disagree on this. Infant/children circumcision is not comparable to abortion. These infants/children don't have a choice in the matter and did not ask to be circumcised, so it is every adult's business to speak against this matter (man and woman). Only adults should have the right to decide to have circumcision for themselves (not children).

Sigh.

Ok.

I'm not arguing this. If you'd like, I'll come up with a better analogy. I think the gist of what I was trying to say is there.

(July 1, 2014 at 11:37 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote:

(July 1, 2014 at 11:32 pm)Irrational Wrote: I'll have to disagree on this. Infant/children circumcision is not comparable to abortion. These infants/children don't have a choice in the matter and did not ask to be circumcised, so it is every adult's business to speak against this matter (man and woman). Only adults should have the right to decide to have circumcision for themselves (not children).

Sigh.

Ok.

I'm not arguing this. If you'd like, I'll come up with a better analogy. I think the gist of what I was trying to say is there.

This one matters to me, sorry.

You guys have fun in the circumcision thread if you start it. I'm not touching that one. Those debates get heated and personal faster than abortion/rape/gun thread all rolled into one. Forget that.

(July 1, 2014 at 7:07 pm)blackout94 Wrote: Teenagers are unable to celebrate business like it or not. A teenager can only celebrate a business with parents' consent. This is mostly due to maturity. A teenager cannot celebrate a contract buying a house or opening a business because they are not mature enough according to the law and are dependent on their parents money for everything, they mostly don't have autonomy nor money of their own to perform such actions

I don't think celebrate means what you think it means.

(July 2, 2014 at 12:45 am)bennyboy Wrote:

(July 1, 2014 at 7:07 pm)blackout94 Wrote: Teenagers are unable to celebrate business like it or not. A teenager can only celebrate a business with parents' consent. This is mostly due to maturity. A teenager cannot celebrate a contract buying a house or opening a business because they are not mature enough according to the law and are dependent on their parents money for everything, they mostly don't have autonomy nor money of their own to perform such actions

I don't think celebrate means what you think it means.

Haha, Portuguese word with multiple meanings, translated to one of the meanings in English... Not the correct one, I guess. :p

Abortion in Portugal is a fairly new business, and "old school" doctors are still practicing. This, I guess, is the main reason why "objection of conscience" is allowed for abortion cases.
Of course, this also gives new doctors leeway for such objections and thus the system gets perpetuated... sometimes, evolution sucks.

(July 2, 2014 at 12:26 am)Losty Wrote: You guys have fun in the circumcision thread if you start it. I'm not touching that one. Those debates get heated and personal faster than abortion/rape/gun thread all rolled into one. Forget that.

To be honest, I don't see the need for one at this point. But maybe sometimes in the future, or if someone else creates a new thread on that one, then I'll participate.