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Q about arguments for God's existence.
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 (July 1, 2014 at 11:46 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Understood. But without any belief at all you must see that there's nothing to gained by wasting the one life you have attempting to live on in heaven. Why do think I'm wasting my life? I chose to be a christian. The few atheists I'm acquainted with don't seem to be enjoying life any more than I do. 
That's our point.
No noticeable improvement in quality of life with or without a god. Maybe it slipped out?
No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear. (July 2, 2014 at 10:37 pm)ignoramus Wrote: That's our point. It's not a teaching of christianity that it would improve the physical quality of your life. In fact, Jesus said that if we followed him, we would face trials and persecution.  (July 2, 2014 at 10:43 pm)Lek Wrote:(July 2, 2014 at 10:37 pm)ignoramus Wrote: That's our point. Well then you must be doing something wrong.
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
 (July 2, 2014 at 10:29 pm)Lek Wrote:(July 1, 2014 at 11:46 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Understood. But without any belief at all you must see that there's nothing to gained by wasting the one life you have attempting to live on in heaven. I don't think you are wasting your life. But I think you are wasting time spent on religion. Atheists are in my experience are as happy as Christians, but with less guilt and free Sundays. And I have know people made very unhappy worrying about god.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
Sorry, no disrespect to anyone, but I find that highly ironic as the vast majority of trials and persecutions have occurred due to religious differences.
No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear. RE: Q about arguments for God's existence.
July 3, 2014 at 12:40 am
(This post was last modified: July 3, 2014 at 12:42 am by Lek.)
(July 3, 2014 at 12:23 am)Jenny A Wrote: I don't think you are wasting your life. But I think you are wasting time spent on religion. I agree that, on average, atheists in this country are as happy as christians, but it doesn't have anything to do with what is true. You think christians are wasting time spent on religion, which makes sense since you are an atheist, but christians don't think they're wasting time spent on religion. When it comes down to it though, I'd rather follow the truth regardless of whether it's makes me happier or not. As to free Sundays, I'm not a football fan and baseball games are always on in the afternoon and evening. (July 3, 2014 at 12:28 am)ignoramus Wrote: Sorry, no disrespect to anyone, but I find that highly ironic as the vast majority of trials and persecutions have occurred due to religious differences. Where do get that from? (July 3, 2014 at 12:40 am)Lek Wrote: You think christians are wasting time spent on religion, which makes sense since you are an atheist, but christians don't think they're wasting time spent on religion. When it comes down to it though, I'd rather follow the truth regardless of whether it's makes me happier or not. That I agree with. The truth is always more worthwhile.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
RE: Q about arguments for God's existence.
July 5, 2014 at 6:36 pm
(This post was last modified: July 5, 2014 at 6:37 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(July 2, 2014 at 10:43 pm)Lek Wrote: It's not a teaching of christianity that it would improve the physical quality of your life. In fact, Jesus said that if we followed him, we would face trials and persecution.-which you haven't, yet another thing that 'ole jc got wrong. It's a pattern with him, I think. Unless you'd like to tell us how horrible things are and how persecuted you are while simultaneously telling us how wonderful things are - and how god has blessed you. Good luck.
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(July 5, 2014 at 6:36 pm)Rhythm Wrote:(July 2, 2014 at 10:43 pm)Lek Wrote: It's not a teaching of christianity that it would improve the physical quality of your life. In fact, Jesus said that if we followed him, we would face trials and persecution.-which you haven't, yet another thing that 'ole jc got wrong. It's a pattern with him, I think. Unless you'd like to tell us how horrible things are and how persecuted you are while simultaneously telling us how wonderful things are - and how god has blessed you. He was talking to his disciples at the time, who did suffer extreme persecution from the Jewish leaders and then from the Romans and other gentile rulers. During the middle ages, christians suffered persecution from popes and other church leaders. Now christians are suffering persecution in many places in the world from muslims or secular governments. I'm suffering persecution from the US government because I can't open a pharmacy and refuse to sell abortive birth control. I face adversity from my own wife for being christian. When he said we would face trial and suffer persecution he was speaking in general. It's very common to speak in this way. Because God blessed me and life is wonderful (which it isn't) doesn't mean I'm not undergoing trials for being christian. |
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