(July 5, 2014 at 12:18 am)Esquilax Wrote: That's not much of an argument. Why should I care what you think about who gets to make the rules? God doesn't seem to mind so much, really: you're the only one sitting here burbling about what he's in control of. I'm pretty sure he can speak for himself, if he's got a problem. In fact, I invite him to come down and let us know why he gets to make the rules for everyone, like some kind of dictator: let him make an argument for why this is so, instead of just having peons assert it by fiat. Because arguments from authority mean jack shit to me, especially when it's borrowed authority.

Any time, god. Any time.

This is one of the main problems I see with people who believe that such a god exists. Why does he not come and speak? Is he shy? Sleeping? Too busy with other things?

“Surely he is a god! Perhaps he is deep in thought, or busy, or traveling. Maybe he is sleeping and must be awakened.”

The irony is that the above quote is actually in the Bible.

(July 4, 2014 at 8:33 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: The majority of people on this planet do not question that in some way there was Intelligent Design. The complexity of this universe stemming from nothingness is complete non-sense.

Not everyone on this planet believes that the Christian God created everything. I'm going to use Hindusim as an example again because it's very different to Christianity. It's also very complicated because Hindusim isn't just one set of beliefs - Hindu Creationism

Quote:According to Hindu creationism all species on earth including humans have "devolved" or come down from a high state of pure consciousness. Hindu creationists claim that species of plants and animals are material forms adopted by pure consciousness which live an endless cycle of births and rebirths.[13] Ronald Numbers says that: "Hindu Creationists have insisted on the antiquity of humans, who they believe appeared fully formed as long, perhaps, as trillions of years ago."[14] Hindu creationism is a form of old earth creationism. According to Hindu creationists the universe may even be older than billions of years. These views are based on the Vedas which depict an extreme antiquity of the universe and history of the earth.[15][16]

Creation myths
Hinduism is a conglomeration of distinct intellectual or philosophical points of view, rather than a rigid common set of beliefs.[17] As a result, the Hindu texts do not provide a single canonical account of the creation; they mention a range of theories of the creation of the world, some of which are contradictory.[18] Many Hindus regard these scriptural legends as allegories or metaphors rather than literal truth.

(July 4, 2014 at 8:33 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Many people don't want to believe in God because they don't want to culpable for their actions.

Which God should I believe in? Which system of being culpable for my actions should I believe in? What about karma where I'll reap the fruits of bad actions in this life or when I'm reincarnated?

(July 5, 2014 at 5:26 am)Irrational Wrote:

(July 5, 2014 at 12:18 am)Esquilax Wrote: That's not much of an argument. Why should I care what you think about who gets to make the rules? God doesn't seem to mind so much, really: you're the only one sitting here burbling about what he's in control of. I'm pretty sure he can speak for himself, if he's got a problem. In fact, I invite him to come down and let us know why he gets to make the rules for everyone, like some kind of dictator: let him make an argument for why this is so, instead of just having peons assert it by fiat. Because arguments from authority mean jack shit to me, especially when it's borrowed authority.

Any time, god. Any time.

This is one of the main problems I see with people who believe that such a god exists. Why does he not come and speak? Is he shy? Sleeping? Too busy with other things?

“Surely he is a god! Perhaps he is deep in thought, or busy, or traveling. Maybe he is sleeping and must be awakened.”

The irony is that the above quote is actually in the Bible.

I will reply to your question with this passage...

Heb 1:1 Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world.
Heb 1:3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

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(July 4, 2014 at 9:13 am)Stimbo Wrote: I'm curious - why would anyone deliberately want to enchain themselves to such a patronisingly demeaning, emotionally, morally and intellectually stultifying elitist dogma, which must be defended at all costs and against all reason? It is truly baffling to me, especially in an age where the sum total of human knowledge is available to all at the click of a mouse. Fine, back in the Dark Age there was ignorance rampant; their world stretched only as far as the neighbouring village and was filled with the stench of disease and death compounded by ignorance. Today there is no such excuse, at least in the relatively civilised nations. Yet people still willingly demean themselves as slaves to superstition and exploitation by any two bob huckster with a prayerbook and an agenda? Madness.

Your problem, Rev, if I may, is that you have spent so much time and effort trying to be a xtian, you've forgotten how to be a human.

Dear Stimbo,
I know you don't like when I go to the Bible for answers but it has the answers to your questions..

1Co 1:18 For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
1Co 1:19 For it is written, "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart."
1Co 1:20 Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?
1Co 1:21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe.
1Co 1:22 For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom,
1Co 1:23 but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles,

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(July 4, 2014 at 8:39 pm)Losty Wrote: Dude you better drop to your knees and repent to Cthulhu Dreaming he is the one true God!

He might be a Grand Poohba Monitor but not a god.

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(July 4, 2014 at 8:52 pm)Stimbo Wrote: He'd do better to repent to me, CD's avenging angel.

You may have the power to ban me Mr Stimbo, but you are no avenging angel.

(July 6, 2014 at 6:26 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: I will reply to your question with this passage...

Heb 1:1 Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world.
Heb 1:3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
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1Co 1:18 For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
1Co 1:19 For it is written, "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart."
1Co 1:20 Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?
1Co 1:21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe.
1Co 1:22 For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom,
1Co 1:23 but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles,

It is not possible, rationale, or even politic to try to prove the existence of god with Bible verses.

If I tried to prove Allah to you using the Koran would you be impressed? How about if I tried to prove talking ducks to you with Mother Goose?

(July 4, 2014 at 9:31 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: The typical American adult hates to spend time thinking and would rather avoid it if at all possible. If people actually engaged in some serious thinking about religious matters they would realize that all religions are just con games.

A classic example is the supposed power of faith. The New Testament swears that if a person has faith that he can simply tell trees and mountains to jump at his commands. Now that about that. If such a thing was true why would the writer tell everyone about it? Imagine the chaos with countless people doing all sorts of things. One person would move a mountain and then someone would get mad and throw it back at him. It should be evident that the writer didn't have any faith in what he wrote because he never did tell a mountain to move and have the mountain follow his commands. So just by thinking for less than a minute you can see the obvious lies because they go against basic human nature. If the writer had moved a mountain that way why would he risk other people gaining such power and competing with him? He wouldn't. He would keep the secret for himself.

The Old Testament has a lot of faults but it's more realistic than the New Testament. Sure you have the genocides and racism and cruelty and vicious threats but it's skimpy on wild and unrealistic promises. It tends to stick to the "Obey or I'll kick your ass" philosophy.

The New Testament is loaded with outrageous promises, as well as some nasty threats. The New Testament hasn't delivered on its wild promises and its threats are empty rants.

Think for yourself and you might reach a similar conclusion. Of course you can always stick your finger in a live electric socket to stop from thinking.

Looks like you don't understand hyperbole.

(July 6, 2014 at 6:26 pm)Revelation777 Wrote:

(July 4, 2014 at 8:39 pm)Losty Wrote: Dude you better drop to your knees and repent to Cthulhu Dreaming he is the one true God!

He might be a Grand Poohba Monitor but not a god.

Incorrect. He is indeed a God. I have seen this truth in his word and I was also enlightened to the true awe of his holy power during my time of being chained up in the staff dungeon.

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(July 4, 2014 at 8:52 pm)Stimbo Wrote: He'd do better to repent to me, CD's avenging angel.

You may have the power to ban me Mr Stimbo, but you are no avenging angel.

Wrong you are again. Stimbo is indeed an avenging angel. I know because proofs prove it.

You seem to have a dunning kruger effect.

So, Rev, you ever gonna crack a science text and relieve yourself of some ignorance?

(July 6, 2014 at 7:08 pm)GalacticBusDriver Wrote: So, Rev, you ever gonna crack a science text and relieve yourself of some ignorance?

Maybe if we sewed it into his Bible.

(July 6, 2014 at 6:47 pm)Losty Wrote:

(July 6, 2014 at 6:26 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: He might be a Grand Poohba Monitor but not a god.

Incorrect. He is indeed a God. I have seen this truth in his word and I was also enlightened to the true awe of his holy power during my time of being chained up in the staff dungeon.

Now now, what is the first rule about the staff dungeon?

Oooo... I feel a prophecy coming on. I see... Myself... Enjoying a cold beverage.

Praise me! It happened!