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July 15, 2014 at 10:47 pm (This post was last modified: July 15, 2014 at 10:53 pm by Revelation777.)
(July 14, 2014 at 10:03 pm)Beccs Wrote:
(July 14, 2014 at 9:52 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Yes, Mrs Rev?
First you have to establish that the things you profess to believe and want to sell to me actually are supernatural, rather than imaginary. It's a vital first step and you keep missing it.
Then you need to demonstrate that these professed supernatural things are separate from nature (hint: if it has any bearing on natural reality at all, however slight, it becomes part of nature by definition; and thence falls squarely in the purview of scientific enquiry).
The religious doctrine you're trying to push causes you to regard people outside your circle as inferior - fallen and damned, in desperate need of saving. There's a thread around here somewhere that proves exactly this.
You respect others' rights, yet you insist we shackle ourselves to your religion and condemn us, directly or indirectly, as condoning theft and murder.
What does your god do with this money? Does it have a PayPal account?
More seriously, though, if you have money to waste on scams like this, why not donate it to causes that actually aim to do some real good in the world?
You're only saying that because you're seeing it through the distorting lens of your religious bubble. You might find life and hope in your special book, but the preaching of it is actually quite startlingly boring. You ever noticed someone's eyes glazing over when you start spouting biblespam? That's their face playing muzak while their brain desperately tries to open up the back of their skull and hurl itself into oncoming traffic.
It always amuses me when they claim the efficacy of prayer for healing people.
When you ask for citation it's never "here's video evidence of prayer curing someone of something before our eyes!".
It's always, "A friend of a friend saw", or "I witnessed" or, "We prayed for this person with cancer and they were cured!" - always ignoring the chemo and the surgeries that were also involved.
Rev: I'm scheduled to do a double valve bypass on Friday. Will my actions make the difference in the person's life or will it be the prayers of his family?"
If God didn't grant you the gift you have then you wouldn't be able to do what you do.
(July 15, 2014 at 2:57 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:
(July 13, 2014 at 11:40 pm)Revelation777 Wrote:
All those who believe...when Sodom burned with lust over those who came to rescue Lot the results were not good. I suggest take a cold shower then get in the ark. Where we are going there is no more need for sex.
The only other place to be if you reject wanting to spend eternity with the Lord is that place prepared for Satan and his angels. Your choice mate.
I have to thank you for your hilarious joke about Lot.
The God character said that he was going to destroy the city so Abraham went into bargaining mode and finally convinced the God character that Lot and his family should be spared. Lot had a couple of skanky daughters. In one verse they were married but in another one he claimed that they were virgins. Anyway, Lot was going to pimp them off to the townsmen so that the townsmen wouldn't rape his strange house guests.
Lot and his hookers escape town but Lot's wife gets dessicated becuase she looked back to see how her former friends and neighbors were coping with being burned alive.
Now with the old lady out of the way the horny daughters went to work on the drunken Lot and had a cave full of dirt rats. They didn't have any rugs since they were hauling barrels of wine and didn't have any extra room for bulky rugs.
Now if Lot and his skanky daughters got away with their romps in the cave why were the townmen worse than they were?
Not sure what version you read but it doesn't sound inspired. One big thing you are overlooked is that Lot was saved not because of what he did but who he knew.
(July 13, 2014 at 11:49 pm)Beccs Wrote:
(July 13, 2014 at 11:35 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: He didn't have to do that and still would be Emperor of the Universe. As Obama to spend a night in a shelter and see how he responds.
Some day that so called imaginary friend will appear in the clouds and you will soil your pants if your lucky. Repent and be raptured away instead!
Wrong. Whom the Son sets free is free indeed.
Wrong! According to your own mythology the "sacrifice" was exactly why Jesus was on Earth in the first place. Because, apparently, an all powerful deity couldn't change its own rules any other way.
Also, I'm not Luckie - she's a mod. I'm Beccs. I know those names are so similar it's hard not to mix us up, but you really need to be more careful.
The "Rapture" isn't even a part of standard Christian mythology. It was invented by some American clergy over a century ago. It's why you never hear talk of the "rapture" outside of American Christianity.
And, no, I won't be dragged back into your mythology. And threats don't work on me.
Threats of imaginary torment only work on the weak minded and those already indoctrinated to the fear.
(July 13, 2014 at 11:40 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: All those who believe...when Sodom burned with lust over those who came to rescue Lot the results were not good. I suggest take a cold shower then get in the ark. Where we are going there is no more need for sex.
The only other place to be if you reject wanting to spend eternity with the Lord is that place prepared for Satan and his angels. Your choice mate.
I'm not your "mate".
I have too much self-worth for that.
And since Satan is an imaginary as your god, then threats of this kind are just bullshit.
God makes the rules, I suggest you don't deny the Truth.
It always amuses me when they claim the efficacy of prayer for healing people.
When you ask for citation it's never "here's video evidence of prayer curing someone of something before our eyes!".
It's always, "A friend of a friend saw", or "I witnessed" or, "We prayed for this person with cancer and they were cured!" - always ignoring the chemo and the surgeries that were also involved.
Rev: I'm scheduled to do a double valve bypass on Friday. Will my actions make the difference in the person's life or will it be the prayers of his family?"
If God didn't grant you the gift you have then you wouldn't be able to do what you do.
(July 15, 2014 at 2:57 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: [/hide]
I have to thank you for your hilarious joke about Lot.
The God character said that he was going to destroy the city so Abraham went into bargaining mode and finally convinced the God character that Lot and his family should be spared. Lot had a couple of skanky daughters. In one verse they were married but in another one he claimed that they were virgins. Anyway, Lot was going to pimp them off to the townsmen so that the townsmen wouldn't rape his strange house guests.
Lot and his hookers escape town but Lot's wife gets dessicated becuase she looked back to see how her former friends and neighbors were coping with being burned alive.
Now with the old lady out of the way the horny daughters went to work on the drunken Lot and had a cave full of dirt rats. They didn't have any rugs since they were hauling barrels of wine and didn't have any extra room for bulky rugs.
Now if Lot and his skanky daughters got away with their romps in the cave why were the townmen worse than they were?
Not sure what version you read but it doesn't sound inspired. One big thing you are overlooked is that Lot was saved not because of what he did but who he knew.
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If your imaginary friend gave me my skills, why did I have to study for so long in med school, and then do internship and residency?
Ref. Post #452: Christian believers are supposed to be able to anoint the sick with magic oil, lay their hands on them, and pray and the sick person will be healed. James 3:14-15. It seems that with all of the billions of past and present Christians that they could have cured every sick person in the world and that doctors would be unnecessary. I'll bet that the writers has a belly laugh when they put that little gem in.
(July 16, 2014 at 12:17 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Ref. Post #452: Christian believers are supposed to be able to anoint the sick with magic oil, lay their hands on them, and pray and the sick person will be healed. James 3:14-15. It seems that with all of the billions of past and present Christians that they could have cured every sick person in the world and that doctors would be unnecessary. I'll bet that the writers has a belly laugh when they put that little gem in.
Wrong interpretation....first it says those who are sick are to call for the elders of the church, that doesn't include everything. It then goes on that the PRAYERS of the Sick will SAVE, doesn't say CURE. This mostly has to do with spiritual issues then physical.
(July 15, 2014 at 10:47 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Not sure what version you read but it doesn't sound inspired. One big thing you are overlooked is that Lot was saved not because of what he did but who he knew.
Uh, no: the premise of the story is that Lot gets special consideration for being a righteous man. Abraham didn't intercede on behalf of Lot specifically, he pleaded with god to spare the city on behalf of the righteous people within, after a little bargaining over the numbers. There's simply no biblical support for the idea that Lot got saved because he had connections.
Incidentally, my interpretation of events is backed up by scripture:
"2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned [them] with an overthrow, making [them] an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; 2:7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: 2:8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed [his] righteous soul from day to day with [their] unlawful deeds"
—2 Peter 2:6–8
So, it's up to you, Rev: you gonna say you know more about righteousness than a literal saint? Gonna go against scripture on this one?
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It always amuses me when they claim the efficacy of prayer for healing people.
When you ask for citation it's never "here's video evidence of prayer curing someone of something before our eyes!".
It's always, "A friend of a friend saw", or "I witnessed" or, "We prayed for this person with cancer and they were cured!" - always ignoring the chemo and the surgeries that were also involved.
Rev: I'm scheduled to do a double valve bypass on Friday. Will my actions make the difference in the person's life or will it be the prayers of his family?"
If God didn't grant you the gift you have then you wouldn't be able to do what you do.
(July 15, 2014 at 2:57 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: [/hide]
I have to thank you for your hilarious joke about Lot.
The God character said that he was going to destroy the city so Abraham went into bargaining mode and finally convinced the God character that Lot and his family should be spared. Lot had a couple of skanky daughters. In one verse they were married but in another one he claimed that they were virgins. Anyway, Lot was going to pimp them off to the townsmen so that the townsmen wouldn't rape his strange house guests.
Lot and his hookers escape town but Lot's wife gets dessicated becuase she looked back to see how her former friends and neighbors were coping with being burned alive.
Now with the old lady out of the way the horny daughters went to work on the drunken Lot and had a cave full of dirt rats. They didn't have any rugs since they were hauling barrels of wine and didn't have any extra room for bulky rugs.
Now if Lot and his skanky daughters got away with their romps in the cave why were the townmen worse than they were?
Not sure what version you read but it doesn't sound inspired. One big thing you are overlooked is that Lot was saved not because of what he did but who he knew.
(July 13, 2014 at 11:49 pm)Beccs Wrote:
Wrong! According to your own mythology the "sacrifice" was exactly why Jesus was on Earth in the first place. Because, apparently, an all powerful deity couldn't change its own rules any other way.
Also, I'm not Luckie - she's a mod. I'm Beccs. I know those names are so similar it's hard not to mix us up, but you really need to be more careful.
The "Rapture" isn't even a part of standard Christian mythology. It was invented by some American clergy over a century ago. It's why you never hear talk of the "rapture" outside of American Christianity.
And, no, I won't be dragged back into your mythology. And threats don't work on me.
Threats of imaginary torment only work on the weak minded and those already indoctrinated to the fear.
I'm not your "mate".
I have too much self-worth for that.
And since Satan is an imaginary as your god, then threats of this kind are just bullshit.
God makes the rules, I suggest you don't deny the Truth.
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If your deity makes the rules, why do you worship such and evil, hateful being?
July 16, 2014 at 9:04 pm (This post was last modified: July 16, 2014 at 9:06 pm by Losty.)
(July 16, 2014 at 3:30 pm)Beccs Wrote:
(July 15, 2014 at 10:47 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: If God didn't grant you the gift you have then you wouldn't be able to do what you do.
Not sure what version you read but it doesn't sound inspired. One big thing you are overlooked is that Lot was saved not because of what he did but who he knew.
God makes the rules, I suggest you don't deny the Truth.
If your deity makes the rules, why do you worship such and evil, hateful being?
You with the quoting. It kills me every time
Sometimes I wonder if you don't screw up the quotes just to make me smile. :p
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(June 11, 2014 at 10:50 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Dearest Atheist Friends,
Jesus warned us of how things would be at the end of the age. We are now living in that time and things are going to continue to grow worse and worse. I believe that many of you will experience the Tribulation Period within your lifetime. Trust me you don't want to be there. Please repent of your sins and place your faith in Christ before it is too late. Enter into Ark before the rains come.
Your Concerned Christian Friend,
Rev777
How are you interpreting the expression:
ὁ γὰρ καιρὸς ἐγγύς
from the opening of the Revelation of John 1:3? Are you aware that the expression doesn't so much refer to a proximal time as much as it refers to a 'climate' in the sense of an immediate or existent occurrence? This expression could not have been interpreted to refer to a period of years if the intent was to convey a time greater than hours or days, much less weeks, months, years, decades or centuries.
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