(August 4, 2014 at 4:47 pm)Mozart Link Wrote:

(August 4, 2014 at 4:40 pm)Losty Wrote: They wouldn't feel devastated because they would see you as an intelligent being. They would tell you if you want to be happy, then grow up and do something about it.

If my lack of ability to experience pleasure were permanent and there is no way I could do anything to make myself feel more pleasure in life, then they would feel devastated. Intelligence (thoughts and such) are nothing more than mere biological functions such as breathing, movement, etc. But pleasure is your emotional well-being here and is what makes your life worth living (as I argued in my opening post). So for them to feel happier knowing that I am reduced to nothing more than mere biological functions (which would, again, be intelligence and such with no pleasure) than if I were to be retarded and happy would make no sense.

Well why does this matter? If I lived in a world with 2 portals and one portal was like 20 dominant men and Luckie, I would choose that portal. I don't even care what the consequences are, even if a million innocent people had to die. And I don't care what you think of me for it, because it's not real life.


Oh and ShaMan, you had lovely points. You're a smart guy and I always enjoy your posts. I see your point, I just don't see inner peace as some magical portal. I think OP needs to get his head out of the clouds.

(August 4, 2014 at 5:00 pm)Losty Wrote:

(August 4, 2014 at 4:47 pm)Mozart Link Wrote: If my lack of ability to experience pleasure were permanent and there is no way I could do anything to make myself feel more pleasure in life, then they would feel devastated. Intelligence (thoughts and such) are nothing more than mere biological functions such as breathing, movement, etc. But pleasure is your emotional well-being here and is what makes your life worth living (as I argued in my opening post). So for them to feel happier knowing that I am reduced to nothing more than mere biological functions (which would, again, be intelligence and such with no pleasure) than if I were to be retarded and happy would make no sense.

Well why does this matter? If I lived in a world with 2 portals and one portal was like 20 dominant men and Luckie, I would choose that portal. I don't even care what the consequences are, even if a million innocent people had to die. And I don't care what you think of me for it, because it's not real life.


Oh and ShaMan, you had lovely points. You're a smart guy and I always enjoy your posts. I see your point, I just don't see inner peace as some magical portal. I think OP needs to get his head out of the clouds.

Not to mention his entire argument is based on hypotheticals and personal opinions that cannot be measured let alone falsified, and then he ends up with shit like "You can't prove me wrong, therefore it's fact".

Fine, if you're a strict hedonist, then fine. Thanks for sharing dude.

"I like the color blue. It's the best and most important color. If I lost the ability to see blue, you would be devastated for me. If I had a choice between being retarded and being able to experience blue, or being mentally average and NOT being able to perceive blue, I would choose to be retarded. Blue is the most important color. Prove me wrong or it's fact."

It's nonsensical horseshit.

(August 4, 2014 at 4:50 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(August 4, 2014 at 4:47 pm)Mozart Link Wrote: If my lack of ability to experience pleasure were permanent and there is no way I could do anything to make myself feel more pleasure in life, then they would feel devastated. Intelligence (thoughts and such) are nothing more than mere biological functions such as breathing, movement, etc. But pleasure is your emotional well-being here and is what makes your life worth living (as I argued in my opening post). So for them to feel happier knowing that I am reduced to nothing more than mere biological functions (which would, again, be intelligence and such with no pleasure) than if I were to be retarded and happy would make no sense.

Welp, you got more than just that one post to which to respond. Especially love the part about consciousness being "nothing more" than brain states and chemistry, while "pleasure" is somehow special.

Seriously man, the more you talk the more I think of
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It's people like you that make me just want to go out and be a psychopath and murder people with such opinions like you. Therefore, this is the reason why it is clearly obvious that life is about me finding my own path in life, my own sense of empowerment and such and not caring about others and their opinions (though I just wanted to at least argue and try to convince people of my own personal views on pleasure), but so far, it doesn't seem to be working.

If he's a strict hedonist, he must be the world's most inept one.

(August 4, 2014 at 5:03 pm)Mozart Link Wrote: It's people like you that make me just want to go out and be a psychopath and murder people with such opinions like you. Therefore, this is the reason why it is clearly obvious that life is about me finding my own path in life, my own sense of empowerment and such and not caring about others and their opinions (though I just wanted to at least argue and try to convince people of my own personal views on pleasure), but so far, it doesn't seem to be working.

This tastes suspiciously like word salad to me.

What is it that you're trying to convince me of? Please use only realistic examples. No hypotheticals.

(August 4, 2014 at 5:05 pm)Losty Wrote:

(August 4, 2014 at 5:03 pm)Mozart Link Wrote: It's people like you that make me just want to go out and be a psychopath and murder people with such opinions like you. Therefore, this is the reason why it is clearly obvious that life is about me finding my own path in life, my own sense of empowerment and such and not caring about others and their opinions (though I just wanted to at least argue and try to convince people of my own personal views on pleasure), but so far, it doesn't seem to be working.

This tastes suspiciously like word salad to me.

What is it that you're trying to convince me of? Please use only realistic examples. No hypotheticals.

Gooood fuckin' luck Losty.

(August 4, 2014 at 5:03 pm)Mozart Link Wrote: It's people like you that make me just want to go out and be a psychopath and murder people with such opinions like you. Therefore, this is the reason why it is clearly obvious that life is about me finding my own path in life, my own sense of empowerment and such and not caring about others and their opinions (though I just wanted to at least argue and try to convince people of my own personal views on pleasure), but so far, it doesn't seem to be working.

Now we're on to wanting to murder people who won't coddle your dumb ass? Really? Get some help, you twisted fuck.

Oh, and by the way, the chances of you being the most badass motherfucker in any room is vanishingly small, and other people carry weapons too. You might want to rethink your approach to others before you end up in a body bag. Just think how your family would feel then.

(August 4, 2014 at 5:03 pm)Mozart Link Wrote: It's people like you that make me just want to go out and be a psychopath and murder people with such opinions like you.

I've started my own warm little ban timer for this member.

This is a speedbump.

The tone of this thread will improve and threatening language will cease as of this point. Thank you for your co-operation.

Mozart,
Is this you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqwAXk8c2Ew