If they got real good education, they'd be able to know that their leaders (and Salafism) are full of bullshit.

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If they got real good education, they'd be able to know that their leaders (and Salafism) are full of bullshit.

Okay pal I dunno what's your deal but it seem to me you've got a real fixation with starting a war no matter what, which makes me think you've got a real problem with Muslims.

(September 17, 2014 at 3:49 pm)lifesagift Wrote:

(September 17, 2014 at 3:45 pm)Natachan Wrote: The alternative to letting them sort it out and slowly bringing them into the 21st century is an overwhelming use of force. And I do mean overwhelming. Total war. Use of WMDs. That would stop the problem. However we won't do that. We have moved on past that point since the 1940's. But this area hasn't. And more reserved military action isn't going to sway them. So, since wholesale slaughter is morally reprehensible, the best option is to allow them to come into the rest of the world slowly, and on their own.

With the greatest of respect, have you read beyond the front page of a newspaper? Have you heard of the caliphate? Have you read testimonies of jihad fighters, from the UK who are ready to come back to the UK and die as martyrs?

They are not looking to fight in their own arena, they want to take over the whole world !!!!

I am aware. Frankly I think these people can and should be tried for treason the instant they join ISIS. I think restricting access to this part of the world is advisable until the situation calms down.

I do not think dropping a nuke on them is in any way advisable.

(September 17, 2014 at 4:07 pm)DramaQueen Wrote: If they got real good education, they'd be able to know that their leaders (and Salafism) are full of bullshit.

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If they got real good education, they'd be able to know that their leaders (and Salafism) are full of bullshit.

How are you going to do that then?

(September 17, 2014 at 3:49 pm)lifesagift Wrote: With the greatest of respect, have you read beyond the front page of a newspaper? Have you heard of the caliphate? Have you read testimonies of jihad fighters, from the UK who are ready to come back to the UK and die as martyrs?

They are not looking to fight in their own arena, they want to take over the whole world !!!!

Jihadis returning to conquer to the world...sounds like some kind of reverse Islamic Rapture. You're assuming they live long enough to board a flight that miraculously gets them through customs without suspicion (NSA loves biometric passports). You have more to fear from people radicalized at home than a returning Mujahideen army. Your chance of being a victim of terrorism is much lower than the fear mongers would have you believe.

(September 17, 2014 at 4:23 pm)Zidneya Wrote:
Okay pal I dunno what's your deal but it seem to me you've got a real fixation with starting a war no matter what, which makes me think you've got a real problem with Muslims.

Well you said it .. pal !! you really 'dunno' what my deal is, so you shout "islamaphobia"!.... very poor form mate!

You're a big part of the problem... come and ask me what I mean before putting words in my mouth - that would be appreciated !

(September 17, 2014 at 3:38 pm)lifesagift Wrote:

(September 17, 2014 at 3:28 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Yeah, but you just want to start ww3, which will solve this problem how? There is only one way to end a guerrilla war, and it is not something that any of want, and is vastly complicated by the fact that Pakistan has nukes. You see historically the most effective way to end a guerrilla is heavey handed retributions like leveling a entire city, or gassing a mall. Do you really want to be in that sort of war?

No, I don't want any sort of war. I want to live in, and see my kids grow up in a fantastic technological and scientifically vibrant world.

But IS and their interpretation of their religious manual is taking us back to the middle ages, but with very modern weaponry, and I want it to stop ASAP. They are beyond mediation and reason, so the only recourse possible (IMO) is to deploy special forces, drones and air attacks and destroy every evidence of their existence. Until the threat to a peaceful world stops.

(OK, I'm not a lawyer, or great writer, so forgive semantic errors and all that, and take this as a principle only)

In that case you need a missile shield that can stop a ICBM. Good luck with that.

Quote:But IS and their interpretation of their religious manual is taking us back to the middle ages, but with very modern weaponry, and I want it to stop ASAP. They are beyond mediation and reason, so the only recourse possible (IMO) is to deploy special forces, drones and air attacks and destroy every evidence of their existence. Until the threat to a peaceful world stops.

Delighted to see you don't want 'any sort of war'.

Eedjit.

Boru

(September 17, 2014 at 5:57 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote:

(September 17, 2014 at 3:38 pm)lifesagift Wrote: No, I don't want any sort of war. I want to live in, and see my kids grow up in a fantastic technological and scientifically vibrant world.

But IS and their interpretation of their religious manual is taking us back to the middle ages, but with very modern weaponry, and I want it to stop ASAP. They are beyond mediation and reason, so the only recourse possible (IMO) is to deploy special forces, drones and air attacks and destroy every evidence of their existence. Until the threat to a peaceful world stops.

(OK, I'm not a lawyer, or great writer, so forgive semantic errors and all that, and take this as a principle only)

In that case you need a missile shield that can stop a ICBM. Good luck with that.

Yeah thanks for a nothing post...!

(September 17, 2014 at 4:40 pm)lifesagift Wrote: Well you said it .. pal !! you really 'dunno' what my deal is, so you shout "islamaphobia"!.... very poor form mate!

You're a big part of the problem... come and ask me what I mean before putting words in my mouth - that would be appreciated !

I don't have to ask you already said it:

(September 17, 2014 at 3:38 pm)lifesagift Wrote: No, I don't want any sort of war. I want to live in, and see my kids grow up in a fantastic technological and scientifically vibrant world.

Yeah that's not gonna happen. Even if ISIS is eradicated theres still a whole bunch of religious people from both (the same and opposite) factions that stand in your way. That kind of change takes years to happen. That is of course assuming the world is willing to change; which it isn't. My advice is:the kind of world you want your kids to grow won't be solved with just eradicating ISIS, deal with it.