(December 13, 2014 at 6:58 pm)professor Wrote: Dyre, the spread of Christianity by the sword was in direct opposition to God and God is not fooled.
The tyrants are still here, hiding behind purple and gold.
There has been no repentance from them- there will be no forgiveness to them.
God is not mocked, neither is God stupid or forgetful.
They can call themselves Christian all they want. Liars they are-every one of them.

Why do you think Christianity got so big? it didn't spread by word of mouth so easily. Think about it your an ancient man you do not believe in any sort of gods you have common sense. A person walk over to you and starts talking about a magic baby and how he grew up to sacrifice himself for your sins. You the person standing there would be, "what the bloody hell is wrong with you do?". Now you see where i am getting at now give that guy a sword and a intent to kill you if you do not believe his story.

(December 13, 2014 at 9:45 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(December 13, 2014 at 6:33 pm)dyresand Wrote: Why should i have blind faith i mean look at what people do when they have it. Christians with blind faith spread their belief by the sword and shield those who did not conform died. i mean blind faith look at what people do with it slavery and all the horrible things in the world and the things people do they do such things then ask for forgiveness. not to mention god forgives and forgives and forgives but he his forgiveness is exploitable.

You know I've gotten where I do not read your post and it's been a blessing, however I did read this one and I still find you the most misguided person I've meet here. You are living in blind faith every day, you live in the blindness of your own heart and having faith there is no God.
There is no blind faith in Christianity, Christians know there's a God because we live in a relationship with Him. You might try leaving the past where it is, Christians have, we know the wrong that was done in the past and we see the wrong done now, we unfortunately can't control everyone, so they do things against God's will. We live in the knowledge of knowing God and that's a sight better than unbelievers living in blind faith there is no God.

GC

That would be like you saying to me there's a girl that likes me but I'm never allowed to contact her directly, that if I leave her then she'll murder me, and that I somehow have blind faith that she probably doesn't exist.

i congratulate apostates as they are on step 1 on the road to mental freedom.

(December 13, 2014 at 9:18 pm)StealthySkeptic Wrote:

(December 13, 2014 at 9:03 pm)Godschild Wrote:

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That's not true Paul urged Christians not to marry unbelievers so they would not have to go through tougher times than marriage can be. He also didn't want Satan to have a person that close working to draw them away from Christ.

GC

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Pressuring in that manner, because of an imaginary fear of an imaginary adversary that would never in a million years actually go up against an omnipotent deity, is pretty much the way that interfaith marriage, which is proven to increase religious tolerance and reduce religiously inspired violence in an area, was treated as a bad idea, thereby basically prohibited in practice by the society. Sure, it can be bad if both people are hardcore about their religion, but...egads, maybe agreeing to disagree for the happiness of the couple and allowing kids from said marriage to have choices other than blatant indoctrination is much more important than cowing before an ancient text!

hock:

I was referring to unbelievers, guess you missed that, though those who believe in other gods are unbelievers and I guess Paul was speaking of them also. Tolerance in the form of allowing other beliefs into Christianity is no different than the Israelites allowing the gods of Canaan into their lives and beliefs. If you've read the OT you know what happened to them, that very thing stands as a warning to today's Christians, one that should be understood and heeded.

(December 13, 2014 at 9:03 pm)Godschild Wrote:

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Here I am , God did not take away a person's free will when they were saved, they were saved in their free will and they can give up their salvation in free will. Some give it up believing they will always be saved, because of one thing bad doctrine. Scriptures never say one will always keep their salvation no matter what, it's actually clear that this is what can happen.
As for someone coming back to God, saying "I believe in Jesus," is no more valid than if someone says it for the first time and they do not have a repentant heart when they say "I believe in Jesus."

GC

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Quote:Once again, how convenient for your religion. Obviously if you acknowledged that people who were sincerely Christian but then left were...actually sincerely Christian before they left, then logically Christianity might not magically be the solution for everything somehow.

So ignore that pesky logic and keep on bowing by sticking to the No True Christian fallacy! Demeaning the experiences of ex-Christians since 33 AD!

You must be trying real hard to be a jerk, why do I believe that, because I never said anything about all Christians living the faith because they were not real Christians. Some have but they had to know what they were giving up, they freely chose and they can freely leave. I will say not all people who claim to be Christians are Christians. I've seen other reasons why people chose Christianity, but they were for the wrong reason. True Christians chose Christ, that's how we get the name Christian. It's not a club you can join and then expect the benefits. Out side of salvation much in Christianity is earned.
Please explain to me what a true Christian is, you seem to have an idea about Christianity that's not true, like I asked please explain to me what a true Christian is?

GC

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(December 13, 2014 at 10:22 pm)StealthySkeptic Wrote:

(December 13, 2014 at 9:45 pm)Godschild Wrote:

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You know I've gotten where I do not read your post and it's been a blessing, however I did read this one and I still find you the most misguided person I've meet here. You are living in blind faith every day, you live in the blindness of your own heart and having faith there is no God.
There is no blind faith in Christianity, Christians know there's a God because we live in a relationship with Him. You might try leaving the past where it is, Christians have, we know the wrong that was done in the past and we see the wrong done now, we unfortunately can't control everyone, so they do things against God's will. We live in the knowledge of knowing God and that's a sight better than unbelievers living in blind faith there is no God.

GC

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That would be like you saying to me there's a girl that likes me but I'm never allowed to contact her directly, that if I leave her then she'll murder me, and that I somehow have blind faith that she probably doesn't exist.

That makes no sense in anyone's book, you do like to twist what others say and then make an argument from your twisted version, that's deceitful at best.

GC

GC wouldn't atheists go to heaven since since gods own people are doing a terrible job trying to convince us they god exists.
I'm pretty sure that is one big loop hole...

(December 13, 2014 at 10:27 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(December 13, 2014 at 9:18 pm)StealthySkeptic Wrote: Pressuring in that manner, because of an imaginary fear of an imaginary adversary that would never in a million years actually go up against an omnipotent deity, is pretty much the way that interfaith marriage, which is proven to increase religious tolerance and reduce religiously inspired violence in an area, was treated as a bad idea, thereby basically prohibited in practice by the society. Sure, it can be bad if both people are hardcore about their religion, but...egads, maybe agreeing to disagree for the happiness of the couple and allowing kids from said marriage to have choices other than blatant indoctrination is much more important than cowing before an ancient text!

hock:

I was referring to unbelievers, guess you missed that, though those who believe in other gods are unbelievers and I guess Paul was speaking of them also. Tolerance in the form of allowing other beliefs into Christianity is no different than the Israelites allowing the gods of Canaan into their lives and beliefs. If you've read the OT you know what happened to them, that very thing stands as a warning to today's Christians, one that should be understood and heeded.

(December 13, 2014 at 9:03 pm)Godschild Wrote:

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Here I am , God did not take away a person's free will when they were saved, they were saved in their free will and they can give up their salvation in free will. Some give it up believing they will always be saved, because of one thing bad doctrine. Scriptures never say one will always keep their salvation no matter what, it's actually clear that this is what can happen.
As for someone coming back to God, saying "I believe in Jesus," is no more valid than if someone says it for the first time and they do not have a repentant heart when they say "I believe in Jesus."

GC

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Quote:Once again, how convenient for your religion. Obviously if you acknowledged that people who were sincerely Christian but then left were...actually sincerely Christian before they left, then logically Christianity might not magically be the solution for everything somehow.

So ignore that pesky logic and keep on bowing by sticking to the No True Christian fallacy! Demeaning the experiences of ex-Christians since 33 AD!

You must be trying real hard to be a jerk, why do I believe that, because I never said anything about all Christians living the faith because they were not real Christians. Some have but they had to know what they were giving up, they freely chose and they can freely leave. I will say not all people who claim to be Christians are Christians. I've seen other reasons why people chose Christianity, but they were for the wrong reason. True Christians chose Christ, that's how we get the name Christian. It's not a club you can join and then expect the benefits. Out side of salvation much in Christianity is earned.
Please explain to me what a true Christian is, you seem to have an idea about Christianity that's not true, like I asked please explain to me what a true Christian is?

GC

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(December 13, 2014 at 10:22 pm)StealthySkeptic Wrote: That would be like you saying to me there's a girl that likes me but I'm never allowed to contact her directly, that if I leave her then she'll murder me, and that I somehow have blind faith that she probably doesn't exist.

That makes no sense in anyone's book, you do like to twist what others say and then make an argument from your twisted version, that's deceitful at best.

GC

My point, if you weren't so intent on dismissing me, is that you can't be sure of this girl's existence if they can't be bothered to contact you directly, much less a supposedly omnipotent, omniscient, etc. deity.

My children will be free to make their own hopefully educated choices.

(December 12, 2014 at 4:11 am)TubbyTubby Wrote: I asked this question on another forum but there were not too many responses from christians so I thought I would repeat it here. I've referred to christians but only because that seems to be the majority of the theist population on this forum.

We have occassional stories of people leaving their religion and a particularly heartfelt account earlier today.

I was wondering whether reading these tales of indoctrination at an early age and then escape later in life if any christian members here relate to any of it? Do you ignore these people? What would you do if your child, who you had brought up strictly christian eventually rejected your god?

Jesus is going to throw his butt into the fire.

John 15:6 (CEV) = "6 If you don’t stay joined to me, you will be thrown away. You will be like dry branches that are gathered up and burned in a fire."

Not like Muslims, luckily.

(December 12, 2014 at 4:11 am)TubbyTubby Wrote: I asked this question on another forum but there were not too many responses from christians so I thought I would repeat it here. I've referred to christians but only because that seems to be the majority of the theist population on this forum.

We have occassional stories of people leaving their religion and a particularly heartfelt account earlier today.

I was wondering whether reading these tales of indoctrination at an early age and then escape later in life if any christian members here relate to any of it? Do you ignore these people? What would you do if your child, who you had brought up strictly christian eventually rejected your god?

Are you familiar with the story of the prodigal son?