(December 18, 2014 at 9:52 am)Drich Wrote: So why bother?

Because 'we' don't know who has been called and who has not. Look at the example of Paul/Saul of Tarsus. He started out life Hating Christians, and ended up being one of the Founding Fathers of the Church.

Again, why bother?

Not knowing doesn't change a thing when it comes to preordained.

Godschild and Chad wooter are not Calvinists. Do you consider them Christian also, Drich?

I ask because I have noticed that some Calvinists express that nonCalvinists aren't Christian.

(December 18, 2014 at 10:12 am)abaris Wrote: Again, why bother?Not knowing doesn't change a thing when it comes to preordained.

Why bother getting an education if we don't now who will be sucessful at life?
I mean the risk is tremendous. The out initial outlay/debt of just a 4 year degree, let alone a masters or doctorate, Faultering econmic times, Globaly tied ecconomies mean far more people foreign and domestic pour into a limited job market.. (I heard on the news last night that law students are at an all time low for these very reasons) All of these things means that a large number who go to school for a specific purpose will not be able to find a job in their perfered field, let alone find a job that pays well enough for them to be considered sucessful.

Why bother getting married if we don't know who will get divorced. For that matter why even date?

Why bother excersize or eat right if anyone of us for any reason could get/have cancer or any other mality and die?

Why? Because we do not know the outcome, therefore we follow our hearts, and do the best with what we have been given.

If we haven't been given anything we can ask for it.

Like wise if anything about Heaven, God, or eternal life sparks your intrest then it would be in your best interest to take what God has given you and be faithful to this intrest and activly seek Him out as He has commanded we do.

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(December 18, 2014 at 10:17 am)Nope Wrote: Godschild and Chad wooter are not Calvinists. Do you consider them Christian also, Drich?

I ask because I have noticed that some Calvinists express that nonCalvinists aren't Christian.

Again, Calvin has nothing to do with who is and is not a Christian. Only Christ can make that determination. He said we must be faithful to what we have been given. If Chad and GC are faithful to what God gave them and it has lead them to where they are at Spiritually then I don't see any fault in that no matter what they believe, but again I am not the one they must answer to either.

What's so bad about being a Calvinist?

Miss Wormwood has quite a list

(December 18, 2014 at 5:53 am)abaris Wrote:

(December 17, 2014 at 9:33 pm)Godschild Wrote: Calvinist do that also, they believe only God knows who He has preordained to be saved, so they still get out the word, God does work in mysterious ways.

GC

I never understood the point to Calvinism. If god has already preordained who's to be saved, then why bother?

Correct, that's one argument against the idea of preordained salvation, there are others also.

GC

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(December 18, 2014 at 9:04 am)watchamadoodle Wrote: I've noticed Christians on forums never want to share anything concrete about their religious beliefs past or present. It makes me wonder if their practice of Christianity is mostly limited to role playing on the internet. Maybe preaching on forums is their primary means of feeling Christian? I don't understand why Christians never want to say specifically what they believe. They always say they aren't religious and so forth. Probably they keep their specific beliefs nebulous so nobody can criticize them.

Ask me a question and I will tell you what I believe, that's if you are serious.

GC

(December 18, 2014 at 9:17 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(December 18, 2014 at 9:04 am)watchamadoodle Wrote: I've noticed Christians on forums never want to share anything concrete about their religious beliefs past or present. It makes me wonder if their practice of Christianity is mostly limited to role playing on the internet. Maybe preaching on forums is their primary means of feeling Christian? I don't understand why Christians never want to say specifically what they believe. They always say they aren't religious and so forth. Probably they keep their specific beliefs nebulous so nobody can criticize them.

Ask me a question and I will tell you what I believe, that's if you are serious.

GC

O.k., I hope this doesn't seem insulting, but what are you trying to accomplish with those quotes in your signature? If you honestly believe in hell, then don't you think it is in poor taste to make a joke about Nietzsche or anybody else going to hell?

In New Church theology, predestination refers to God having prepared beforehand a place for all in Heaven, a destination, but it is still up to us to accept that destination as our own. If we had no choice then why in Scripture does God continually call on us to repent?

God continually has to call for repentance since there are 39,999 INCORRECT christian denominations

(December 18, 2014 at 10:04 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: God continually has to call for repentance since there are 39,999 INCORRECT christian denominations

Ya'll love the strawman.