(December 19, 2014 at 5:27 pm)Nope Wrote:

(December 19, 2014 at 5:23 pm)Blackout Wrote: I've always wondered why a "life" conceived by a sexual assaulter is worth less than one conceived with full consent - Are people implying that someone's worth is dictated by who conceives you?

The better question is what makes someone a 'person'? The victim of a sexual assault is a person because she has a brain that can think or feel. A mass of cells without a brain is not

Agreed. Life does not begin "At Conception".

How I loathe AFA! The silver lining, if you can call it that, is that the 'Doctor', having spewed his vile nonsense, then calls upon his supporters to engage in an activity that is inherently pointless and ineffective. Yes, by all means, pray that others will come to think as you do. Better that than harassing vulnerable women and health care workers.

It's not that a rape induced life is worth less, it's that the woman did not consent to having it put there so has every right to not have it there anymore.

That's the minimum argument of course, I support abortion regardless of the reason. It's this ridiculous notion that any life is better than no life, even if it's going to be unwanted and living in poverty or shopped around foster homes. There's too many people in the world already, so use the new slots up with children that are wanted.

Oh you atheists, and your concern over chattle. I mean women. Just take the fifty silver for your daughter's rape, and be done with it.

You mean helper meat?

(December 19, 2014 at 5:44 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Oh you atheists, and your concern over chattle. I mean women. Just take the fifty silver for your daughter's rape, and be done with it.

I know, right?! It's like we're human or something isn't it?

I wonder if the good "doctor" would continue to hold such a vile belief if a family member of his or another loved one was impregnated through a crime as deplorable, pathetic, and traumatizing as rape. I seriously doubt it.

Most typically crumble as soon as an act is committed against someone they care about.

I wasn't implying a pro-life policy, I'm actually close to what's considered a hardcore pro-choice - I was just pointing out how inconsistent it is to say an abortion made by a rape victim is more acceptable than one made by a woman who simply doesn't want to have kids. It comes down to a choice and nothing else, no lady should have to even remotely say the reason why she is there to terminate her unborn foetus. All hail bodily autonomy!

Glad you clarified.

(December 19, 2014 at 6:02 pm)Blackout Wrote: I wasn't implying a pro-life policy, I'm actually close to what's considered a hardcore pro-choice - I was just pointing out how inconsistent it is to say an abortion made by a rape victim is more acceptable than one made by a woman who simply doesn't want to have kids. It comes down to a choice and nothing else, no lady should have to even remotely say the reason why she is there to terminate her unborn foetus. All hail bodily autonomy!

If you're referring to my post, that is not my position - at all. I'm 100% in favor of a woman's choice in the matter, and the only limitations I would want to see are those that concern whether or not the fetus has consciousness and can experience pain.

Before then, as far as I'm concerned, it is a private matter between the woman and her physician.

The argument I made, rephrased is this - even if we could consider abortion evil, it is a lesser evil than forcing a pregnancy and childbirth upon a conscious human being.