AFA: Impregnated by a rapist? "Why kill a child made in God’s image?"

[Dystopia]

I wasn't implying a pro-life policy, I'm actually close to what's considered a hardcore pro-choice - I was just pointing out how inconsistent it is to say an abortion made by a rape victim is more acceptable than one made by a woman who simply doesn't want to have kids. It comes down to a choice and nothing else, no lady should have to even remotely say the reason why she is there to terminate her unborn foetus. All hail bodily autonomy!

If you're referring to my post, that is not my position - at all. I'm 100% in favor of a woman's choice in the matter, and the only limitations I would want to see are those that concern whether or not the fetus has consciousness and can experience pain.

Before then, as far as I'm concerned, it is a private matter between the woman and her physician.

The argument I made, rephrased is this - even if we could consider abortion evil, it is a lesser evil than forcing a pregnancy and childbirth upon a conscious human being.

At least Minimalist seemed to be a little confused because I didn't comment on the right every woman should have to make an abortion and that could have falsely made me look a pro-life - I was just asserting that it's stupid to say only victims of rape should be able to abort - I don't consider a foetus a person but regardless a foetus' worth isn't dictated by the person who conceives them.

On a sidenote, I'm surprised by how many European countries with a pro-choice policy, including, for instance, Holland and if I'm not mistaken some Scandinavian countries, force women to a X days reflection period and make doctors basically ask 1000 times if she really wants to abort. I think abortion should be allowed ASAP (Of course an appointment needs to the scheduled)

People should stop looking at abortion as something rare that only victims of rape or women with foetus that possess mentally/physical deficiencies do - It may be needed by a fair percentage of women. Let's say my girlfriend got pregnant - She's 21 and has no financial stability, so the wise choice would be to abort, not to mention that both me and her are literally not ready to be parents, I want to have kids when I know I can give them the best life possible. I don't see abortion for this reason as being more censurable than the made because of rape, as well as I don't see anything wrong with a rape victim wanting to keep the child, it's a perfectly valid choice.

[Chad32]

Well if you weren't ready to have a baby, what were you doing having sex? You dirty, dirty sinner, you!

That's adultery, which is one of the ten commandments. Right up there with thou shalt not kill, unless it's a nonbeliever, or it's a believer that breaks one of the other commandments, or if it's a rape victim that didn't scream loud enough, or if you associate with nonbelievers...am I leaving anything out?

[Huggy Bear]

I think the main problem is that there is a huge double standard.

Unborn Victims of Violence Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unborn_Vict...olence_Act

The Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 (Public Law 108-212) is a United States law which recognizes a child in utero as a legal victim, if they are injured or killed during the commission of any of over 60 listed federal crimes of violence. The law defines "child in utero" as "a member of the species Homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb".

If a "child in utero" has legal rights in this case, why not in the case of abortion?

Of course this US law, no idea if other countries have similar laws.

[Chad32]

Well technically is is a Human fetus. Still, before a certain point it doesn't have the brain power to be a person.

[Huggy Bear]

Well technically is is a Human fetus. Still, before a certain point it doesn't have the brain power to be a person.

"Brain power" is not what defines a person, corporations are defined as "persons" under the law which is the reason they share some of same rights.

[Chad32]

Which is pretty stupid.

[Jackalope]

I think the main problem is that there is a huge double standard.

Unborn Victims of Violence Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unborn_Vict...olence_Act

The Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 (Public Law 108-212) is a United States law which recognizes a child in utero as a legal victim, if they are injured or killed during the commission of any of over 60 listed federal crimes of violence. The law defines "child in utero" as "a member of the species Homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb".

If a "child in utero" has legal rights in this case, why not in the case of abortion?

Of course this US law, no idea if other countries have similar laws.

You are aware that this is the Religious Right's work, yes? Trying to get the camel's nose in the tent, so later they can bring in the whole camel?

They know they can't outlaw aborting lawfully, so they're taking baby steps to get there.

Besides, who ever claimed that Congress acts rationally and without hypocrisy. Seriously.

[Dystopia]

Well technically is is a Human fetus. Still, before a certain point it doesn't have the brain power to be a person.

"Brain power" is not what defines a person, corporations are defined as "persons" under the law which is the reason they share some of same rights.

They are defined as collective people and the legal status of corporations is limited when compared to humans, not to mention the word "person" is not meant to imply a physical being when directed towards corporations, but rather to acknowledge an entity that expresses itself trough it's members, which are human.

[Minimalist]

If a "child in utero" has legal rights in this case, why not in the case of abortion?

An abortion is not one of 60 federal crimes 'of violence.'

[Jackalope]

If a "child in utero" has legal rights in this case, why not in the case of abortion?

An abortion is not one of 60 federal crimes 'of violence.'

It isn't even one that the Federal government has any jurisdiction over, unless there's some form of Federal nexus (interstate, federal employees, that sort of thing).