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RE: So...We're Expecting Al-Qaeda to Build Cruise Missiles?
December 19, 2014 at 1:50 pm
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Quote:Actually it referred to a well-regulated militia which did not mean every fucking asshole with a gun.
"We the militia" or "We the people"? The right is ours, and -a- justification given was a well-regulated militia. I'm sure that many of the people involved could have given more elaborate arguments. They did not. I doubt that any of them could have foreseen our professional army (making a "militia" obsolete) - or that if they did, they gave it much concern at the time. Of course, this is not actually a document "granting us rights" - we have them..they're all ours (don't forget about 10). It's a document that limits government power with respect to -some- rights. But suppose that this -was- all that it were limited to (that either the founders would have or we have since decided to take that approach). Are you okay with militias cropping up to take advantage of that?
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RE: So...We're Expecting Al-Qaeda to Build Cruise Missiles?
December 19, 2014 at 1:51 pm
(December 19, 2014 at 8:23 am)robvalue Wrote: I thought that 'bare arms' referred to muskets, and perhaps didn't forsee fucking sniper rifles and rocket launchers.
Actually it just means you can wear short sleeved shirts.
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RE: So...We're Expecting Al-Qaeda to Build Cruise Missiles?
December 19, 2014 at 2:25 pm
Quote:"We the militia" or "We the people"?
In 1789 the militia referred to organized companies, equipped with muskets and bayonets, with junior officers generally elected by the troops under commanders appointed by the governor. There were state by state variations in all this which generally led to the utter failure of the militia system during the Spanish-American War and its replacement by the National Guard in 1903.
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RE: So...We're Expecting Al-Qaeda to Build Cruise Missiles?
December 19, 2014 at 8:34 pm
Cracker Company of Rick Scotts Floridian Militia. Glad we ditched the militia idea, personally. Most of us anyway (looks disparagingly at Michigan).
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RE: So...We're Expecting Al-Qaeda to Build Cruise Missiles?
December 20, 2014 at 10:38 am
The additional spotting distance from the horizon doesn't apply... if a cruise missile is coming: we should know that by the time it gets within 500 miles of us (if not well before that). It doesn't even apply to subs from well within that range: we have sensors in the water like crazy... and a blimp high in the sky isn't going to do shit about it.
* Violet feels the paranoia gnawing at her, ignores it.
Can we not just chalk it up to either domestic observation or corporations getting us spending money 'because'?
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RE: So...We're Expecting Al-Qaeda to Build Cruise Missiles?
December 20, 2014 at 5:06 pm
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(December 19, 2014 at 12:17 pm)Minimalist Wrote: (December 19, 2014 at 8:38 am)Rhythm Wrote: It did, it referred to the most lethal firearms we were likely to possess at the time. A horrible weapon for a world at war - armies lining up mechanically and blasting the shit out of each other. Sucked.
Personally wouldn't like to be shot with a musket - but more especially I'd rather not be stabbed with an early sock bayonet.
(I also doubt that modern weapons were foreseen)
Actually it referred to a well-regulated militia which did not mean every fucking asshole with a gun.
Since 'militia' was the people, yes it did. And the Supreme Court says so.
Everywhere in the Constitution where it says "the people" it means that; the Second Amendment is not an exception.
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RE: So...We're Expecting Al-Qaeda to Build Cruise Missiles?
December 20, 2014 at 5:16 pm
Look up what the militia was, Chas.
It was not an armed mob of gun nuts.
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RE: So...We're Expecting Al-Qaeda to Build Cruise Missiles?
December 20, 2014 at 5:40 pm
(December 20, 2014 at 5:16 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Look up what the militia was, Chas.
It was not an armed mob of gun nuts.
You misread the Second Amendment. The Supreme Court says so.
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RE: So...We're Expecting Al-Qaeda to Build Cruise Missiles?
December 21, 2014 at 12:11 am
Yeah...a 5-4 vote with the corporate nazis all on the side of the death merchants. They overturned a more logical decision which had stood since 1939. How many will die because of their lack of ethics.
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RE: So...We're Expecting Al-Qaeda to Build Cruise Missiles?
December 21, 2014 at 12:24 am
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(December 21, 2014 at 12:11 am)Minimalist Wrote: They overturned a more logical decision which had stood since 1939.
You talking about Miller? I wouldn't hold that up as a shining example of jurisprudence, personally. By the time the case went before SCOTUS, Miller was missing or dead, and only the government's side was presented.
Non-adversarial jurisprudence is hardly good jurisprudence, whatever one may think of the outcome.
Wikipedia Wrote:The U.S Government appealed the decision and on March 30, 1939, the U.S. Supreme Court heard the case. Attorneys for the United States argued four points:
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Neither the defendants nor their legal counsel appeared at the Supreme Court. A lack of financial support and procedural irregularities prevented counsel from traveling.[4] Miller was found shot to death in April, before the decision was rendered.[5]
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