(January 16, 2015 at 2:12 am)Drich Wrote:

(January 15, 2015 at 11:59 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: How old is the earth again, Drich?

As old as you or 'science' needs it to be.

I don't need the earth to be any age. That's the difference between you and me. I form my opinions based on testable, repeatable evidence. You form yours based on what your worldview requires.

(January 16, 2015 at 2:12 am)Drich Wrote: Makes no difference to me, or God.

It sure makes a difference if you count the begats.

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(January 16, 2015 at 2:12 am)Drich Wrote:

(January 16, 2015 at 12:01 am)Esquilax Wrote: Just remember, if he can show we don't know, then the answer must be god!

Actually if 'he' can show you don't know, yet you believe science hold the answer, then "he" can demonstrate that you are a man of faith.

If your are indeed a man of faith, then I ask why not God?

Are you really that flippant? Really?

For the millionth time, there is a difference between religious faith and faith in testable, repeatable processes. I have faith that when I sit my dining room chair, it won't collapse. I have this faith because of the 1,000 other times I have sat in this chair and not had it collapse. I acknowledge that it could collapse (so not blind faith.) I have faith that the scientific method works, because over and over it produces results. Do you ever feel even the slightest bit dishonest when you distrust science only when it contradicts your worldview? Don't worry, I know the answer already.

(January 15, 2015 at 4:38 pm)Nope Wrote: This is from Ed Davis's account.

Quote:"Something happened to me in '43 that's haunted me all my life..
I'm in the 363rd Army Corps of Engineers working out of a base in Hamadan (ancient Ekbatan or Ecbatane), Iran. We're building a Way Station into Russia from Turkey. A supply route.

You can stop right here. The Allies did not do this, because Turkey was not used as a transshipment route for supplies into the USSR. The Trans-Iranian Railway ran from Ahwaz to Bandar Shah, in the north central part of the country, and never got near Turkey. US troops, under the elder General Schwarzkopf, were sent there to guard and maintain it, and to my knowledge were never stationed within a hundred or so miles of the Turkish border.

This is a map of that railway:


[Attribution: "Transiran railway en" by Hhgygy - Own work. Licensed under CC BY-SA 3.0 via Wikimedia Commons - http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:T...way_en.png]

As you can see, Hamadan is about three hundred kilometers from the Turkish border near Ararat, no mean feat of travel in 1943 in Iran. Having lived there in the 1970s and having traveled in the region as far as Tabriz, I can attest to the poor road communications in the area, and that makes me very skeptical that he just got permission to journey 200 miles over a primitive road net in a country that was semi-hostile for having been invaded, only to climb a 16,000-ft peak at the end of said journey, in 1943, when the war was at a turning point, manpower stretched to the limit, and the Iranian Command in particular had its hands full catching up from a 1942 which saw its goals all unmet. It doesn't wash.

But the crucial takeaway was this: Turkey was never used to transit supplies to the USSR. As a neutral, it would not permit its territory to be used in such a manner. And given that it had a common border with the USSR, why would an American be stationed in Iran to build a transshipment route the long way?

Just from the first line, this account is clearly false.

Anyone wishing to read in detail about this aspect of WWII should visit the Hyperwar page on it: http://www.history.army.mil/books/wwii/p.../index.htm. This is a full-length book hosted on a website whose management includes our own member Gawdzilla, and its value as an online WWII resource is unparalleled. They have troves of official documentation, and no bullshit. Much of my understanding of the Anglo-American deployment to Iran arises from this source.

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Also, a little about the geology of Ararat, from Wiki:

Quote:During the early Eocene and early Miocene, the collision of Arabian platform with Laurasia closed and eliminated the Tethys Ocean from the area of what is now Anatolia. The closure of these masses of continental crust, collapsed this ocean basin by middle Eocene and resulted in a progressively shallowing of the remnant seas, until the end of early Miocene period. Post-collisional tectonic convergence within the collision zone resulted in the total elimination of the remaining seas from East Anatolia, at the end of early Miocene, crustal shortening and thickening across the collision zone, and uplift of the East Anatolian–Iranian plateau. Accompanying this uplift was extensive deformation by faulting and folding, which resulted in the creation of numerous local basins. The north–south compressional deformation continues today as evidenced by ongoing faulting, volcanism, and seismicity.[5][17][19]

Withn Anatolia, regional volcanism started middle-late Miocene. During the late Miocene–Pliocene period, widespread volcanism blanketed the entire East Anatolian–Iranian plateau under thick volcanic rocks. This volcanic activity has continued uninterrupted until historical times. Apparently, it reached a climax during the latest Miocene–Pliocene, 6 to 3 Ma. During the Quaternary, the volcanism became restricted to a few local volcanoes such as Mount Ararat. These volcanoes are typically associated with north–south tensional fractures formed by the continuing the north–south shortening deformation of Anatolia.[5]

(January 16, 2015 at 2:28 am)SteelCurtain Wrote:

(January 16, 2015 at 2:12 am)Drich Wrote: As old as you or 'science' needs it to be.

I don't need the earth to be any age. That's the difference between you and me. I form my opinions based on testable, repeatable evidence. You form yours based on what your worldview requires.

(January 16, 2015 at 2:12 am)Drich Wrote: Makes no difference to me, or God.

It sure makes a difference if you count the begats.

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(January 16, 2015 at 2:12 am)Drich Wrote: Actually if 'he' can show you don't know, yet you believe science hold the answer, then "he" can demonstrate that you are a man of faith.

If your are indeed a man of faith, then I ask why not God?

Are you really that flippant? Really?

For the millionth time, there is a difference between religious faith and faith in testable, repeatable processes. I have faith that when I sit my dining room chair, it won't collapse. I have this faith because of the 1,000 other times I have sat in this chair and not had it collapse. I acknowledge that it could collapse (so not blind faith.) I have faith that the scientific method works, because over and over it produces results. Do you ever feel even the slightest bit dishonest when you distrust science only when it contradicts your worldview? Don't worry, I know the answer already.

For the million and oneth time no there is not.

Full Definition of FAITH

1
a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty
b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
2
a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion
b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust
3
: something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs <the Protestant faith>

all definitions of faith require little to not proof. It is will sustained belief. So like it or not faith in 'science' (especially when science has no answers on a particular subject) is the same brand of faith (mustard seed) we use to find God.

Well hello Mr. McLuhan!

(January 15, 2015 at 1:56 pm)professor Wrote: What is left of the ark is in Turkey and is a national historic site.

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Sure, and sea shell fossils found on the tops of mountains all over the world were
placed there by far sighted Bible believers just to fool everyone.

No wonder the Christers fight so hard against having decent schools in the USA. FSM forbid that kids should learn about basic geology, tectonic plates, world politics, etc. etc. They might stop pulling the lever for their slavemasters every 2 years!

(January 16, 2015 at 9:37 am)Drich Wrote: Full Definition of FAITH

1
a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty
b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
2
a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion
b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust
3
: something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs <the Protestant faith>

all definitions of faith require little to not proof. It is will sustained belief. So like it or not faith in 'science' (especially when science has no answers on a particular subject) is the same brand of faith (mustard seed) we use to find God.

There's no mention of "belief in something because it has evidence supporting its existence and continued functioning, and produces meaningful, measurable results". You'll notice that the go-to example is religion -- not science.

Why, then, are you trying to shoehorn science into that definition?

Oh, that's right, you're desperate for the patina of science to cover your superstition, and for that reason reach for the false equivalence. Never mind, carry on.

Oh, hey, were you able to inflict AIDS on anyone through your prayers yet?

Just to clarify, I am purposefully ignorant of the BS taught in the various school systems engulfed in naturalism.
The geologic column is a concoction developed to give validity to the lie of evolution.
Real science can never validate the lie of evolution.
You are involved in a humanistic faith who cling to it.
Drich nailed it that you guys are operating by faith.

All the earth was without great mountains prior to the flood, at the ending of the flood - they were raised up.
That is the reason for sea fossils found on mountains, it is also the reason great whale remains are found in deserts.

The earth is very old but the re-creation stated in Genesis One is not.

(January 16, 2015 at 1:01 pm)professor Wrote: Just to clarify, I am purposefully ignorant of the BS taught in the various school systems engulfed in naturalism.
The geologic column is a concoction developed to give validity to the lie of evolution.
Real science can never validate the lie of evolution.
You are involved in a humanistic faith who cling to it.
Drich nailed it that you guys are operating by faith.

All the earth was without great mountains prior to the flood, at the ending of the flood - they were raised up.
That is the reason for sea fossils found on mountains, it is also the reason great whale remains are found in deserts.

The earth is very old but the re-creation stated in Genesis One is not.

You really don't like following the evidence where it leads, do you?

Just going to throw it out there the writers of the bible knew how absurd it was when writing it to put in things
like believe without evidence and only fools say in their heart i don't believe in god. Makes you wonder right....
then again i wouldn't be surprised because many people have this belief and are still falling for that same shit over
and over.

Your screen name is a calculated insult to a worthy body of dedicated men and women, "professor". Please change it to something more appropriate. All you are professing here is what a gullible idiot you are for sucking up and regurgitating Hovind and Ham's more pathetic bullshit, and frankly making a right idiot of yourself. I'm embarrassed for you.