(January 24, 2015 at 6:32 pm)lifesagift Wrote:

(January 24, 2015 at 6:29 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: To what purpose? That is to say, what good will be served by changing the name?

Boru

Because people might start to focus on the cause of the biggest threat this world has faced in decades.. terrorism has a few specific causes, like the IRA, but these are overshadowed completely by a religion, and the world should stand up and challenge this religion that won't sleep until we're all converted or killed

You seem to think that the world isn't responding to Islamic extremists, is that it?

Boru

(January 24, 2015 at 6:30 pm)Fendon Wrote:

(January 24, 2015 at 6:21 pm)lifesagift Wrote: I'm not in the mood for getting all legal eagle, but seriously have you watched any news in the past 10 years ffs?

Have a look on here : http://www.jihadwatch.org/ and if you need any more, you can google as well as I can.

Calling me a radical is the same as calling me a carrot.. you seem to be very apologetic about muslim killing, please at least explain that !!!!

I'm not getting all legal eagle. I'm asking you to give me something that explains why we should redefine terrorism as Islamic Terrorism. People have been shifting the goal posts on terrorism for years and it has yet to achieve anything. Nelson Mandela is a prime example of this; he was still regarded as a terrorist by the FBI well into his leadership of South Africa.

Of course I've watched the news. I'm not denying nor endorsing killing in the name of Islam, I'm just saying you have nothing that supports your claim that 99.9% of all evil violence on this earth is related to Islam. You're using made-up facts and fabrication to endorse a radical claim and that, to me, is not good enough.

So you gave me a link that is primarily focused on reporting incidents performed in the name of Jihad. That's not representative of all crime and violent acts in the world. I don't need to find evidence or sources. You're making the claim; it's up to you to convince me that what you're saying is true.

I'm not apologetic about any killing, be it in the name of Islam, Christianity, Atheism etc. I'm also not apologetic about calling you out on a bullshit claim. Because that's exactly what it is... a bullshit claim.

What you said was radical. Fabricating evidence and using bias sources; that's what radical people do.

Wow, you don't seem to mind what ISIS are doing... well that's up to you...

My point was that the Japanese PM should blame Islam for (allegedly) killing a Japanese person. And not pussyfoot around.

You call me radical, but I blame you for obscuring the target.

Islam has killed more people in the last 6 months than all the other terrorist groups have in the last 5 years... (I imagine !!)

(January 24, 2015 at 6:41 pm)lifesagift Wrote: Wow, you don't seem to mind what ISIS are doing... well that's up to you...

My point was that the Japanese PM should blame Islam for (allegedly) killing a Japanese person. And not pussyfoot around.

You call me radical, but I blame you for obscuring the target.

Islam has killed more people in the last 6 months than all the other terrorist groups have in the last 5 years... (I imagine !!)

Now you're creating a strawman to cloud what I was saying. Of course I mind what ISIS are doing. Again, my point is you have nothing to support a claim that 99.9% of all evil violence is the result of ISLAM. Give me something substantial that supports the claim and I'll shut up. But for now I won't stand by and watch someone make ridiculous claims on topics for which they clearly know nothing about. ISIS and other extremist groups are responsible for terrible things and I actually support all-out war against ISIS. The fact remains, 99.9% of all evil crime is not related to Islam.

Targets? No, I'm freely admitting that ISIS need to be stopped (and quickly). I'm disputing that 99.9% of all evil violence is related to Islam, mostly because you have no source that back up that claim. I'm sorry for wanting you to prove a point with evidence.

You can't use your imagination to incite fear, dude. That simply isn't a valid source of information on any point.

I'll repeat this once again: give me the source that backs up a claim that 99.9% of all evil violence is related to Islam. That is the point I'm disputing. Don't dodge the question. Don't accuse me of obscuring targets and ignoring 'fact'. Give me something that supports that particular claim.

(January 24, 2015 at 6:51 pm)Fendon Wrote:

(January 24, 2015 at 6:41 pm)lifesagift Wrote: Wow, you don't seem to mind what ISIS are doing... well that's up to you...

My point was that the Japanese PM should blame Islam for (allegedly) killing a Japanese person. And not pussyfoot around.

You call me radical, but I blame you for obscuring the target.

Islam has killed more people in the last 6 months than all the other terrorist groups have in the last 5 years... (I imagine !!)

Now you're creating a strawman to cloud what I was saying. Of course I mind what ISIS are doing. Again, my point is you have nothing to support a claim that 99.9% of all evil violence is the result of ISLAM. Give me something substantial that supports the claim and I'll shut up. But for now I won't stand by and watch someone make ridiculous claims on topics for which they clearly know nothing about. ISIS and other extremist groups are responsible for terrible things and I actually support all-out war against ISIS. The fact remains, 99.9% of all evil crime is not related to Islam.

Targets? No, I'm freely admitting that ISIS need to be stopped (and quickly). I'm disputing that 99.9% of all evil violence is related to Islam, mostly because you have no source that back up that claim. I'm sorry for wanting you to prove a point with evidence.

You can't use your imagination to incite fear, dude. That simply isn't a valid source of information on any point.

I'll repeat this once again: give me the source that backs up a claim that 99.9% of all evil violence is related to Islam. That is the point I'm disputing. Don't dodge the question. Don't accuse me of obscuring targets and ignoring 'fact'. Give me something that supports that particular claim.

Fendon, you got me... I apologise more than you can imagine... I feel so ashamed... it's probably in the region of 60 to 98 % of violence that's committed by muslims... what was I thinking?!! I'm fucking mortified at myself !

You must feel really good that you proved me wrong !!?

(January 24, 2015 at 6:55 pm)lifesagift Wrote:

(January 24, 2015 at 6:51 pm)Fendon Wrote: Now you're creating a strawman to cloud what I was saying. Of course I mind what ISIS are doing. Again, my point is you have nothing to support a claim that 99.9% of all evil violence is the result of ISLAM. Give me something substantial that supports the claim and I'll shut up. But for now I won't stand by and watch someone make ridiculous claims on topics for which they clearly know nothing about. ISIS and other extremist groups are responsible for terrible things and I actually support all-out war against ISIS. The fact remains, 99.9% of all evil crime is not related to Islam.

Targets? No, I'm freely admitting that ISIS need to be stopped (and quickly). I'm disputing that 99.9% of all evil violence is related to Islam, mostly because you have no source that back up that claim. I'm sorry for wanting you to prove a point with evidence.

You can't use your imagination to incite fear, dude. That simply isn't a valid source of information on any point.

I'll repeat this once again: give me the source that backs up a claim that 99.9% of all evil violence is related to Islam. That is the point I'm disputing. Don't dodge the question. Don't accuse me of obscuring targets and ignoring 'fact'. Give me something that supports that particular claim.

Fendon, you got me... I apologise more than you can imagine... I feel so ashamed... it's probably in the region of 60 to 98 % of violence that's committed by muslims... what was I thinking?!! I'm fucking mortified at myself !

You must feel really good that you proved me wrong !!?

Love the condescending tone. 10/10 would read that post again.

But yeah, you've still failed to back up your new claim that it's in the region of 60 to 98% of violence that's committed by Muslims. So yeah, my original point still stands.

I want numbers. I want studies. When I have that maybe, just maybe I'll start to believe you. But for now, you haven't come to the table with your claims in this thread.

I'm sorry if that upsets you, but what you're saying in this thread stinks of bigotry and lack of understanding of world affairs. Fair enough. It's easy to find a scapegoat, but most of us just aren't stupid enough to buy into it.

(January 24, 2015 at 7:01 pm)Fendon Wrote:

(January 24, 2015 at 6:55 pm)lifesagift Wrote: Fendon, you got me... I apologise more than you can imagine... I feel so ashamed... it's probably in the region of 60 to 98 % of violence that's committed by muslims... what was I thinking?!! I'm fucking mortified at myself !

You must feel really good that you proved me wrong !!?

Love the condescending tone. 10/10 would read that post again.

But yeah, you've still failed to back up your new claim that it's in the region of 60 to 98% of violence that's committed by Muslims. So yeah, my original point still stands.

I want numbers. I want studies. When I have that maybe, just maybe I'll start to believe you. But for now, you haven't come to the table with your claims in this thread.

I'm sorry if that upsets you, but what you're saying in this thread stinks of bigotry and lack of understanding of world affairs. Fair enough. It's easy to find a scapegoat, but most of us just aren't stupid enough to buy into it.

Ok, good point, I can't back up the notion that most violence in the world is committed by musilms (although try this http://terrorismtoday.org/ ) but it must be right for me to challenge you to justify why I might be wrong? What is the evidence that you have to suggest that I'm wrong?

(January 24, 2015 at 7:08 pm)lifesagift Wrote:

(January 24, 2015 at 7:01 pm)Fendon Wrote: Love the condescending tone. 10/10 would read that post again.

But yeah, you've still failed to back up your new claim that it's in the region of 60 to 98% of violence that's committed by Muslims. So yeah, my original point still stands.

I want numbers. I want studies. When I have that maybe, just maybe I'll start to believe you. But for now, you haven't come to the table with your claims in this thread.

I'm sorry if that upsets you, but what you're saying in this thread stinks of bigotry and lack of understanding of world affairs. Fair enough. It's easy to find a scapegoat, but most of us just aren't stupid enough to buy into it.

Ok, good point, I can't back up the notion that most violence in the world is committed by musilms (although try this http://terrorismtoday.org/ ) but it must be right for me to challenge you to justify why I might be wrong? What is the evidence that you have to suggest that I'm wrong?

Nope, that link isn't doing it either. In fact I see many stories not related to Islam. Even so, you seem to have been restricted by your definition of violence. I've noted that you've only provided sources related to terrorism. Are there not other evil violent acts that aren't terrorist acts? I think you need to work on defining your terms a little more.

I find it ironic that you use the same arguments creationists use when debating them: "Show me the evidence that proves I am wrong." - The same counter-argument applies here. I'm not making the radical claim. I'm denouncing your claim based on what you have provided. Sorry buddy, but you still have that burden of providing evidence and sources. Not being an asshole about it, but that's just the way things work. But, if you're absolutely insistent on me giving you something, then by all means insist and I'll probably oblige.

(January 24, 2015 at 7:15 pm)Fendon Wrote:

(January 24, 2015 at 7:08 pm)lifesagift Wrote: Ok, good point, I can't back up the notion that most violence in the world is committed by musilms (although try this http://terrorismtoday.org/ ) but it must be right for me to challenge you to justify why I might be wrong? What is the evidence that you have to suggest that I'm wrong?

Nope, that link isn't doing it either. In fact I see many stories not related to Islam. Even so, you seem to have been restricted by your definition of violence. I've noted that you've only provided sources related to terrorism. Are there not other evil violent acts that aren't terrorist acts? I think you need to work on defining your terms a little more.

I find it ironic that you use the same evidence creationists use when debating them: "Show me the evidence that proves I am wrong." - The same counter-argument applies here. I'm not making the radical claim. I'm denouncing your claim based on what you have provided. Sorry buddy, but you still have that burden of providing evidence and sources. Not being an asshole about it, but that's just the way things work. But, if you're absolutely insistent on me giving you something, then by all means insist and I'll probably oblige.

Lol, I find it incredulous that as a western atheist I'm "in the dock" over terrorist behaviour!

I will tell you that at least 80% (or more) of stories on my news (BBC) relating to terrorist activity is Muslim based. What more do you want me to say? Do you get apple growers blowing up trains in your area? Or women fighting with AK47s over cheap moisturiser? Give me a reason why I'm wrong to cite Islamic violence as the biggest problem this world has right now

(January 24, 2015 at 5:25 pm)lifesagift Wrote: in the wake of the apparent obscene murder of a Japanese captive, the Japanese PM says they will never bow to terrorism - isn't it time to redefine "terrorism" as Islamic terrorism? There is other terrorism in the world, but we all have to accept that 99.9% percent of evil violence in this world is in the name of Islam... when will the world wake up and accept this?

Maybe this week it is. But don't forget Srebrenica, Rwanda, Sabra and Shatila, ...

(January 24, 2015 at 7:26 pm)Chas Wrote:

(January 24, 2015 at 5:25 pm)lifesagift Wrote: in the wake of the apparent obscene murder of a Japanese captive, the Japanese PM says they will never bow to terrorism - isn't it time to redefine "terrorism" as Islamic terrorism? There is other terrorism in the world, but we all have to accept that 99.9% percent of evil violence in this world is in the name of Islam... when will the world wake up and accept this?

Maybe this week it is. But don't forget Srebrenica, Rwanda, Sabra and Shatila, ...

And?.....are they still a risk for us all?