(January 28, 2015 at 11:53 pm)dyresand Wrote:

(January 28, 2015 at 11:48 pm)Stimbo Wrote: What is this "decency" of which you speak?

I'm not touching it.

Oh that. In that case all the women I've ever met - but one - have been decent.

(January 28, 2015 at 11:53 pm)dyresand Wrote:

(January 28, 2015 at 11:48 pm)Stimbo Wrote: What is this "decency" of which you speak?

I'm not touching it.

You ask for the popcorn, I say no, you give me the cute kitty eyes, I offer you the popcorn, you say no. What kind of fakakta mashugana...
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Steve obviously has me on block. Was I really rude to him at some point? Or does he just not like what I say?

I'd like to point again to steve that I know jesus did not exist. I went back in time, and witnessed the whole thing. He was never there.

So why you continue to act as if there's any chance he exists, after this first hand and contemporary testimony, is baffling. I'm happy to answer any questions you have about my time travelling adventures, unlike the long dead bible authors. Who were actually me, so they're not dead.

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The fact that no theist will even engage me in this type of conversation for one post proves my point. I'm mad, right? And I should be ignored? But you can't prove me wrong.

Stevell, I demonstrated that the idea that God creates the rules of the Universe must be false, the problem of super-omnipotence. That is naturalism must be true, and God is a problematic idea at best. God has other theoretical problems. If God is omniscient, sees the future, any possible Universe God decides to create is determined strongly, logically we have no free will. All moral evil than is God's doing for creating the Universe as it is. Then God is not, as defined, good. God as a concept as defined by Christianity is impossible. This shows us that supposed revelation that supposedly tells us about God, God's nature and abilities must be untrue. So far as I have looked into this over many years, God is not a viable theory. Nor are the religions that attach themselves to this theoretical God like so many remora fish clinging to a shark.

You know what I don't like very much? People who can't or won't plural the word "atheist" correctly. It might seem like a trivial point, but it's pretty rampant around the internet among the fundie community and it sets my teeth on edge. If you can't even get the basics right, how are we meant to take you seriously with the more complex stuff?

(January 29, 2015 at 10:11 am)Stimbo Wrote: You know what I don't like very much? People who can't or won't plural the word "atheist" correctly. It might seem like a trivial point, but it's pretty rampant around the internet among the fundie community and it sets my teeth on edge. If you can't even get the basics right, how are we meant to take you seriously with the more complex stuff?

I edited the sentence several times. I do know to put an s on the end. I apologize.

That's all I ask. Thanks. You don't want to come over as a typical fundie, now do you?

(January 29, 2015 at 10:33 am)Stimbo Wrote: That's all I ask. Thanks. You don't want to come over as a typical fundie, now do you?

Nooo, for that he'd have to provide blatantly stilted and hopelessly biased sources, refuse to address the evidence presented against his arguments, quote mine the shit out of authors and scientists and ignore it when he's called out on it, and base his assertions on utterly unsubstantiated statements complete with huge jumps of non-logic stemming from arguments from ignorance.


Oh...wait...

(January 29, 2015 at 10:11 am)Cheerful Charlie Wrote: Stevell, I demonstrated that the idea that God creates the rules of the Universe must be false, the problem of super-omnipotence. That is naturalism must be true, and God is a problematic idea at best. God has other theoretical problems. If God is omniscient, sees the future, any possible Universe God decides to create is determined strongly, logically we have no free will. All moral evil than is God's doing for creating the Universe as it is. Then God is not, as defined, good. God as a concept as defined by Christianity is impossible. This shows us that supposed revelation that supposedly tells us about God, God's nature and abilities must be untrue. So far as I have looked into this over many years, God is not a viable theory. Nor are the religions that attach themselves to this theoretical God like so many remora fish clinging to a shark.

I am sorry I skipped over this earlier. I meant to come back to it.

Free will is not the ability to choose differently in identical circumstances. It is not being caused to do something by causes other than oneself. God's knowledge of all the components that goes into your choice beforehand in no ways denies free will.

What I believe is that God considered every feasible universe in which he made man with free will, with his "middle knowledge" considered what every person would do in any circumstance, and actualized the one with the greatest good both now in in eternity.

Regarding omnipotence, we are unable to see the trillions upon trillions of causes and effects in the world AND eternity and therefore are not in a position to judge if God did not have morally sufficient reasons to allow an "evil" event to occur.

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(January 29, 2015 at 10:33 am)Stimbo Wrote: That's all I ask. Thanks. You don't want to come over as a typical fundie, now do you?

The reason I posted is to intentionally get challenged on my beliefs. I learn things and it is a good exercise for the brain to defend a position against both the reasonable and the hostile.