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RE: A simple challenge for atheists
January 28, 2015 at 11:56 pm
(January 28, 2015 at 11:53 pm)dyresand Wrote: (January 28, 2015 at 11:48 pm)Stimbo Wrote: What is this "decency" of which you speak?
I'm not touching it.
Oh that. In that case all the women I've ever met - but one - have been decent.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: A simple challenge for atheists
January 29, 2015 at 12:06 am
(January 28, 2015 at 11:53 pm)dyresand Wrote: (January 28, 2015 at 11:48 pm)Stimbo Wrote: What is this "decency" of which you speak?
I'm not touching it.
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RE: A simple challenge for atheists
January 29, 2015 at 4:06 am
(This post was last modified: January 29, 2015 at 4:09 am by robvalue.)
Steve obviously has me on block. Was I really rude to him at some point? Or does he just not like what I say?
I'd like to point again to steve that I know jesus did not exist. I went back in time, and witnessed the whole thing. He was never there.
So why you continue to act as if there's any chance he exists, after this first hand and contemporary testimony, is baffling. I'm happy to answer any questions you have about my time travelling adventures, unlike the long dead bible authors. Who were actually me, so they're not dead.
The fact that no theist will even engage me in this type of conversation for one post proves my point. I'm mad, right? And I should be ignored? But you can't prove me wrong.
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RE: A simple challenge for atheists
January 29, 2015 at 9:36 am
(This post was last modified: January 29, 2015 at 10:09 am by SteveII.)
To tie the two threads together between the OT and revelation, you have to make a distinction based on the content of the revelation. Paul was NOT creating a new religion. He wrote letters explaining and fleshing out the framework of what Jesus already taught. He was instructed by the apostles and inspired by God to write his letters and preach his sermons. He did not impart new commandments, new systems, or new methods of atonement. Since Mohammad and Smith did, there is the distinction.
Regarding the prophets of the OT, the information is true, useful in understanding God, the context of the NT, but supremely more important is what Jesus said and what Paul and others fleshed out (the NT).
(January 28, 2015 at 7:00 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: Until you can demonstrate that your god exists, anything you have to say about that god is worthless. Any argument you put forth only wastes everybody's time. I'm sorry if you don't like that, but it's not our fault you have no support for your assertions and we shouldn't have to give any credence to your assertions just because you've demonstrated a capacity to make them.
As I have already discussed at length, the existence of God was clearly and dramatically demonstrated to the first century Christians. I am not going to type out the same answers I did just a handful of pages back. If you don't like the evidence, fine. You can't claim there isn't any.
If I am wasting your time, don't click on this thread.
What I don't like are atheist whose only answer to anything is prove it.
Do you have anything to add other than "prove it"?
(January 28, 2015 at 6:06 pm)dyresand Wrote: lets... see.... what science and archeology has to say about jesus...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/a...acter.html
http://www.inquisitr.com/1504964/jesus-never-existed/
http://www.salon.com/2014/09/01/5_reason...r_existed/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nigel-barb...83198.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteveryt...t-hold-up/
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biblia...zar_27.htm
http://www.unbiasedtalk.com/the-intellec...ne-romans/
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/31...us-existed
So from this i will draw my conclusion jesus doesn't exist or ever has but rather just made up. So the NT in all its "glory" is not even relevant.
You forgot the 27 accounts from a dozen authors from the period.
We have been over this (with links). The majority of scholars believe that Jesus existed.
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RE: A simple challenge for atheists
January 29, 2015 at 10:11 am
Stevell, I demonstrated that the idea that God creates the rules of the Universe must be false, the problem of super-omnipotence. That is naturalism must be true, and God is a problematic idea at best. God has other theoretical problems. If God is omniscient, sees the future, any possible Universe God decides to create is determined strongly, logically we have no free will. All moral evil than is God's doing for creating the Universe as it is. Then God is not, as defined, good. God as a concept as defined by Christianity is impossible. This shows us that supposed revelation that supposedly tells us about God, God's nature and abilities must be untrue. So far as I have looked into this over many years, God is not a viable theory. Nor are the religions that attach themselves to this theoretical God like so many remora fish clinging to a shark.
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RE: A simple challenge for atheists
January 29, 2015 at 10:11 am
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You know what I don't like very much? People who can't or won't plural the word "atheist" correctly. It might seem like a trivial point, but it's pretty rampant around the internet among the fundie community and it sets my teeth on edge. If you can't even get the basics right, how are we meant to take you seriously with the more complex stuff?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: A simple challenge for atheists
January 29, 2015 at 10:15 am
(January 29, 2015 at 10:11 am)Stimbo Wrote: You know what I don't like very much? People who can't or won't plural the word "atheist" correctly. It might seem like a trivial point, but it's pretty rampant around the internet among the fundie community and it sets my teeth on edge. If you can't even get the basics right, how are we meant to take you seriously with the more complex stuff?
I edited the sentence several times. I do know to put an s on the end. I apologize.
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RE: A simple challenge for atheists
January 29, 2015 at 10:33 am
That's all I ask. Thanks. You don't want to come over as a typical fundie, now do you? 
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: A simple challenge for atheists
January 29, 2015 at 10:35 am
(January 29, 2015 at 10:33 am)Stimbo Wrote: That's all I ask. Thanks. You don't want to come over as a typical fundie, now do you?
Nooo, for that he'd have to provide blatantly stilted and hopelessly biased sources, refuse to address the evidence presented against his arguments, quote mine the shit out of authors and scientists and ignore it when he's called out on it, and base his assertions on utterly unsubstantiated statements complete with huge jumps of non-logic stemming from arguments from ignorance.
Oh...wait...
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RE: A simple challenge for atheists
January 29, 2015 at 11:02 am
(This post was last modified: January 29, 2015 at 11:12 am by SteveII.)
(January 29, 2015 at 10:11 am)Cheerful Charlie Wrote: Stevell, I demonstrated that the idea that God creates the rules of the Universe must be false, the problem of super-omnipotence. That is naturalism must be true, and God is a problematic idea at best. God has other theoretical problems. If God is omniscient, sees the future, any possible Universe God decides to create is determined strongly, logically we have no free will. All moral evil than is God's doing for creating the Universe as it is. Then God is not, as defined, good. God as a concept as defined by Christianity is impossible. This shows us that supposed revelation that supposedly tells us about God, God's nature and abilities must be untrue. So far as I have looked into this over many years, God is not a viable theory. Nor are the religions that attach themselves to this theoretical God like so many remora fish clinging to a shark.
I am sorry I skipped over this earlier. I meant to come back to it.
Free will is not the ability to choose differently in identical circumstances. It is not being caused to do something by causes other than oneself. God's knowledge of all the components that goes into your choice beforehand in no ways denies free will.
What I believe is that God considered every feasible universe in which he made man with free will, with his "middle knowledge" considered what every person would do in any circumstance, and actualized the one with the greatest good both now in in eternity.
Regarding omnipotence, we are unable to see the trillions upon trillions of causes and effects in the world AND eternity and therefore are not in a position to judge if God did not have morally sufficient reasons to allow an "evil" event to occur.
(January 29, 2015 at 10:33 am)Stimbo Wrote: That's all I ask. Thanks. You don't want to come over as a typical fundie, now do you?
The reason I posted is to intentionally get challenged on my beliefs. I learn things and it is a good exercise for the brain to defend a position against both the reasonable and the hostile.
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