(February 16, 2015 at 8:12 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: How can someone get a mistaken idea from Mark 10:11 ??

About as clear as anything in the bible !!


I suppose the lure of strange poontang can corrupt the strongest Christian will in regards to divorce and remarriage though.

Mathew 5:32 includes one exception.

Matthew 5:32New International Version (NIV)
32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Funny Mat and Mark don't concur there.

Not sure how showing inconsistencies helps the Christer cause, but I suppose all will be made clear someday.

Malachi 2:16 For I hate divorce,” says the Lord, the God of Israel, . . .

Doesn't include the weasel wording either, and it's Old Testament to boot.

(February 16, 2015 at 6:01 pm)Lek Wrote: Adam's sin resulted in a change in mankind.

Which god had the power to undo with a wave of his hand. The idea that forgiveness from god can only be attained via the blood of god spilled when he masqueraded as a human doesn't make sense. The notion that this also somehow grants a complete release from any wrongdoing, thereby creating a black/white situation where you can only be fully condemned or fully cleared, is just as nonsensical.

God demands perfection, strips it away from everyone based on the actions of two people, then creates a convoluted plan that took thousands of years to implement in order to teach humanity... something. What, we're not sure, since the only way to know would be to chronicle it, and the only book he provides is so poorly-written that even his most devout followers cannot agree on what it says. But if you can't figure it out, you're no better than the person who rejects it outright and you might wind up spending an eternity regretting it.

It's lunacy.

(February 13, 2015 at 5:28 pm)Lek Wrote: How can you even say this? People have been worshiping gods since our beginnings, since it is evident in the creation. People have always sensed that there must be a god.

That is only evidence of the human assumption that causes require agency.

People have been killing each other since the beginning, too. Does that mean killing one another is right?

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(February 13, 2015 at 9:11 pm)Lek Wrote: I don't discount scientific theories. I'm open to learning from science everything I can. I just don't rely on science for what it is inadequate to show or prove to me.

Given your admitted ignorance of science, you're hardly in a position to decide its capabilities.

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(February 14, 2015 at 3:07 pm)Lek Wrote: Not so. I think most communists thought they were doing good by killing people of faith.

This is incorrect. Religious people weren't killed wholesale. The vast majority of the Russian population was religious; killing people because they were religious would have depopulated the country.

Orthodox priests were put into camps insofar as they resisted the state's appropriation of church property. If they didn't resist, they were left alone.

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(February 14, 2015 at 9:38 pm)Lek Wrote: Christianity does nothing bad. People do bad. If people follow christianity and do what it teaches they will do good. If people do bad things and try to use christianity to justify themselves, that's not christianity. You guys are saying christianity is a bad thing when it's not. You tell me christianity does this and that, and I think - "christianity doesn't do that!"

Matthew, in chapter 7, verses 16-20, Wrote:16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?

17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.

19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...ew+7:16-20

(February 16, 2015 at 6:01 pm)Lek Wrote: Adam's sin resulted in a change in mankind. We do suffer the effects of Adam's sin. If a nuclear missile explodes in your city, generations to come will deal with the consequences of that explosion. The thing is, I know everything will end up okay, and it can be the same way for everybody.

Collective punishment is immoral. Punishing the innocent for the acts of the guilty is unjust. Meting out the death penalty to all humans in history for the "sin" committed by the first two is atrocious.

You worship an evil god.

That's the thing that does my head in the most.

God isn't even hiding the fact that he is evil. He just keeps stating that he is good, while doing mainly evil things.

How did he get away with such a wafer thin plan?

He has an army of spindoctors.

(February 21, 2015 at 5:39 pm)robvalue Wrote: That's the thing that does my head in the most.

God isn't even hiding the fact that he is evil. He just keeps stating that he is good, while doing mainly evil things.

How did he get away with such a wafer thin plan?

God doesn't have to hide sh*t. Most drug dealers don't pretend to be good citizens, or nice people - quite the opposite. If you have a "product" that your "customers" are desperate for - you can smack their faces with your d*ck and they'll call it a blessing.

(February 21, 2015 at 6:31 pm)Homeless Nutter Wrote:

(February 21, 2015 at 5:39 pm)robvalue Wrote: That's the thing that does my head in the most.

God isn't even hiding the fact that he is evil. He just keeps stating that he is good, while doing mainly evil things.

How did he get away with such a wafer thin plan?

God doesn't have to hide sh*t. Most drug dealers don't pretend to be good citizens, or nice people - quite the opposite. If you have a "product" that your "customers" are desperate for - you can smack their faces with your d*ck and they'll call it a blessing.

Ain't that the truth? Salvation seems so desirable to those who have already bought the guilt-trip that they will do anything to think they've got it.

I've been "born again" twice in my life. The first time was in the Ebenezer Baptist Church in Mount Pleasant, Texas. The second, and final, time was when I realized that I was responsible for everything I did, and thought, and lived. Both were accompanied by baptisms; the first was in water, the second, in facts.

It really is like quitting drugs. It takes years. It takes will.

And most of all, it takes courage.

(February 21, 2015 at 6:31 pm)Homeless Nutter Wrote: God doesn't have to hide sh*t. Most drug dealers don't pretend to be good citizens, or nice people - quite the opposite. If you have a "product" that your "customers" are desperate for - you can smack their faces with your d*ck and they'll call it a blessing.

I liken it more to a mob boss, who uses words like "respect" and "honor" when he really means "pants-shitting terror."