We observe evolution all the time, and have physical evidence in the fossil record. There is no physical evidence for the supernatural.

When judging who someone it, it's not a good idea to take their word for it. It's always best to judge them by their actions, and yahwhe's actions don't speak well of him.

I'm not sure how you can say the bible has nothing to do with who yahweh is, when the bible is the only information we have about him. Unless you pull up sme stuff about when he belonged to the Canaanite pantheon as a lesser war god.

(February 23, 2015 at 4:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: No, God is who He says He is, He used the Bible to tell us. The Bible has nothing to do with who God is, period.
Here's circular reasoning, you argue evolution from books, because someone wrote it and said it's true, yet you and I both know there's no proof for evolution, unless you are claiming to have lived long enough to observe it.

GC

It never fails to astound me how you can say someone is believing something on faith when that is precisely what you're doing.
First off, how can you say there is no proof of evolution? Have you ever read on the subject? Have you been to school?

(February 23, 2015 at 4:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: No, God is who He says He is, He used the Bible to tell us. The Bible has nothing to do with who God is, period.

Edit: What does that even mean? I thought it was a poor attempt at demonstrating circular reasoning, but it's just utter nonsense.

(February 23, 2015 at 4:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: No, God is who He says He is, He used the Bible to tell us. The Bible has nothing to do with who God is, period.

GC

...!?

I don't even know what to say.

(February 23, 2015 at 3:02 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Actions speak louder than words. The bible goes on and on about how great yahweh is, and how much he loves us, but the most common way he interacts with most people is killing them, sending people to kill them, or threatening to do so.

Why do you think He did so, or are you just repeating things you've heard, do you have an intelligent answer, or will it be the same old tired same old.

GC

(February 23, 2015 at 4:38 pm)Godschild Wrote: Why do you think He did so, or are you just repeating things you've heard, do you have an intelligent answer, or will it be the same old tired same old.

GC

Does anyone know where I can buy a new irony meter?
I think GC just completely destroyed it.

(February 23, 2015 at 4:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: Here's circular reasoning, you argue evolution from books, because someone wrote it and said it's true, yet you and I both know there's no proof for evolution, unless you are claiming to have lived long enough to observe it.

GC

Actually, I have lived long enough to observe evolution, and I don't argue it based on books, but rather the repeatable experiments therein. Those experiments and observations, by the way, are readily verifiable in a way that religious claims never are, even if I hadn't observed it happen myself.

But I have: my family breeds dogs for show, so for a while I could go visit my grandparents and see the litters, generation by generation, and what did I see? Each generation was different from the one that came before it; evolution in action.

Now, you could just bray "but they were all still dogs!" and if you do that you'll only be demonstrating that not only do you not understand how we know evolution is real and how we argue for that, but you also don't know what evolution itself is.

I don't know why you'd want to do that.

(February 23, 2015 at 4:35 pm)robvalue Wrote:

(February 23, 2015 at 4:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: No, God is who He says He is, He used the Bible to tell us. The Bible has nothing to do with who God is, period.

GC

...!?

I don't even know what to say.

When you do you don't say anything so you might as well say nothing.

GC

It's very easy to say evolution is false when you have no clue what it is.

If any theist who thinks it's false could give a reasonably accurate description of it, I'd be most impressed.

You're right GC I am a fucking disgrace, I shall go think about that one.

(February 23, 2015 at 4:38 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(February 23, 2015 at 3:02 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Actions speak louder than words. The bible goes on and on about how great yahweh is, and how much he loves us, but the most common way he interacts with most people is killing them, sending people to kill them, or threatening to do so.

Why do you think He did so, or are you just repeating things you've heard, do you have an intelligent answer, or will it be the same old tired same old.

GC

Because he's extremely violent and self centered. He's a volcanic war god, after all. Or at least he used to be.

He completely abandons Adam and Eve as soon as they do something he doesn't like. the most he tells them is "don't do it, or you'll die". That's nice. You want to explain what die means?

Then he wipes out the world because fallen angels were raping women and breeding evil Humans. I don't know what he was doing in the meantime, or what the fallen angels were doing that turned all the demi angels evil, but he wiped them out.

He messed with the language of a bunch of people because he felt threatened by a tower.

He brought slaves out of Egypt after making sure they weren't released before he had the chance to kill a bunch of children, down to the young of slaves and animals. Then he had Moses kill some of his followers for breaking a rule he came up with after they decided to start worshiping another god of their pantheon, as polytheists tend to do sometimes. then he had them kill people who inhabited land he wanted to give to his followers.

The old testament is filled with violence, and all to supposedly raise up one group of people, because he made friends with a guy once and promised him a long lineage. I don't know why he does it, except to say he's a psychopath who acts as many people do when there's no one around to dope slap them if they do something wrong.

Quote:Does anyone know where I can buy a new irony meter?
I think GC just completely destroyed it.

They don't make irony meters strong enough to handle those levels. in fact, most have a disclaimer that leaving yours on while viewing anything by a theist will void your warranty.

(February 23, 2015 at 4:42 pm)Godschild Wrote: When you do you don't say anything so you might as well say nothing.

GC

The amount of irony could cure several anaemics.