(March 2, 2015 at 12:11 pm)watchamadoodle Wrote: I assume your church preaches that the WHOLE Bible is literally factual?
So do you also believe the genealogy from Adam through Noah to Abraham that suggests 6000 years?
How about the 6 days of creation story?
Drich believes that Adam may have been in the Garden of Eden for billions of years while the Earth was evolving. Is that how you see it?

As far as creation goes the bible states that

Quote:Genesis 1
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

How long it took to create the heavens (universe) and earth are not specified, the 6 days (which would be 6000 years according to us, since 1000 years is one day to God) refer explicitly to God shaping and placing life on the earth.
As far as Adam and Eve existing for billions of years, the bible isn't clear, but i suppose it's possible for the fact that time/death didn't exist for them until they partook of the "forbidden fruit", and no mention is made of how much time passed between their creation and the original sin.

The thing is, were not required to try to explain everything about the bible, Just believe it.

(March 2, 2015 at 12:17 pm)Norman Humann Wrote: So, you don't wear mixed fabrics? Do you stone adulterers? Do you avoid mixing meat and dairy, eating pork and fat, eating any meat not killed according to kosher practice? Are you circumcised?

Christians don't live under the law, they live under grace. Grace supersedes the law. The law never existed until Moses, What law did Abraham live under? The law was given as an example to show that you can't get to heaven by just being a "good person" because everyone transgressed the law.

Where exactly does the idea that 1000 years = 1 day come from?

(March 2, 2015 at 1:09 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(March 2, 2015 at 12:17 pm)Norman Humann Wrote: So, you don't wear mixed fabrics? Do you stone adulterers? Do you avoid mixing meat and dairy, eating pork and fat, eating any meat not killed according to kosher practice? Are you circumcised?

Christians don't live under the law, they live under grace. Grace supersedes the law. The law never existed until Moses, What law did Abraham live under? The law was given as an example to show that you can't get to heaven by just being a "good person" because everyone transgressed the law.

(March 2, 2015 at 12:00 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Anytime anyone has asked me a yes or no question I have always gave a yes or no answer, show where that hasn't been the case.

Yes or no answer my ass.

(March 2, 2015 at 1:10 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Where exactly does the idea that 1000 years = 1 day come from?

Never heard that time is relative?

Quote:2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

(March 2, 2015 at 1:09 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: The thing is, were not required to try to explain everything about the bible, Just believe it.

What a wonderful argument: "If you just believe the bible, then you'll believe the bible!"

'Course, if you don't want to shoulder your burden of proof, that doesn't mean it no longer exists. It just means you've failed to deal with it, which leaves your beliefs in an irrational quagmire. If that's okay to you, then fine, but don't expect us to take your position seriously if you're content to just believe it, and defend it with the vaguest of "this, possibly!" style arguments.

2 Peter 3:8 'But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is as with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day'.

However, that is not at how the 6,000 year figure was originally arrived.

Edit: ninja's by Huggy. Well played, sir!

(March 2, 2015 at 1:12 pm)Norman Humann Wrote:

(March 2, 2015 at 12:00 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Anytime anyone has asked me a yes or no question I have always gave a yes or no answer, show where that hasn't been the case.

Yes or no answer my ass.

http://atheistforums.org/thread-31826-po...#pid887298

(February 28, 2015 at 8:24 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(February 28, 2015 at 8:18 pm)The Reality Salesman Wrote: Lets just cut to the chase here...Are you saying that you believe that this woman came back from the dead? Yes or no...

Yes

(March 2, 2015 at 12:00 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Really? In case I haven't made myself clear (which I have) I believe the WHOLE Bible, that clear enough? Anytime anyone has asked me a yes or no question I have always gave a yes or no answer, show where that hasn't been the case. Ont the other hand I Just asked you guys to answer a yes or no question, and not one of you has answered, so who's dodging?

(March 1, 2015 at 12:41 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote:

(March 1, 2015 at 8:21 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Where did I state this is what caused the biblical flood?
I stated that all it would take is for the moon to shift in its orbit to cause a flood, in other words a world wide flood is not outside the realm of possibility.
Or are you saying that it is impossible for a planetary body to shift in its orbit? A yes or no answer will suffice.

The moon shifting in its orbit would not create a worldwide flood. It would create a worldwide rotating tidal bulge until the secondary effects took place. Unless you are stating that what your god meant by "worldwide flood" was "rotating tidal bulge," this natural phenomena doesn't explain what you think it does.

I am not intimating that a planetary body cannot shift its orbit. I am, however, saying that planetary bodies don't jump orbits for no reason, and that not every orbit is viable, and that bodies don't magically shift back into their previous orbit for no reason.

I am also saying that the secondary effects of shifting the moon into an orbit 5% of its current orbit would fracture the Earth's crust and boil off the atmosphere, kill every single living thing on the planet whether they were in an ark or not and leave both the earth and the moon misshapen.

Unless goddidit. In that case, why the moon orbit explanation? Why not just *poof* water, *poof* no water, *poof* wipe, wipe, wipe, no evidence left over. Mass murder, god style.

So do you ever get tired of being so blatantly dishonest that it only takes going back two pages in the thread to show that either you didn't read or you just think we won't call you out on it? A yes or no answer will suffice.

(March 2, 2015 at 1:14 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(March 2, 2015 at 1:10 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Where exactly does the idea that 1000 years = 1 day come from?

Never heard that time is relative?

Quote:2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

So..why not just state in genesis that it took 6,000 years.

(March 2, 2015 at 1:17 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(March 2, 2015 at 1:12 pm)Norman Humann Wrote: Yes or no answer my ass.

http://atheistforums.org/thread-31826-po...#pid887298

(February 28, 2015 at 8:24 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Yes

Oh wow. I was referring to the questions I asked you.

(March 2, 2015 at 1:09 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(March 2, 2015 at 12:17 pm)Norman Humann Wrote: So, you don't wear mixed fabrics? Do you stone adulterers? Do you avoid mixing meat and dairy, eating pork and fat, eating any meat not killed according to kosher practice? Are you circumcised?

Christians don't live under the law, they live under grace. Grace supersedes the law. The law never existed until Moses, What law did Abraham live under? The law was given as an example to show that you can't get to heaven by just being a "good person" because everyone transgressed the law.